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re: Yikes...MPD manual allows and teaches maneuver used by Killer Cop
Posted on 5/30/20 at 1:07 pm to Covingtontiger77
Posted on 5/30/20 at 1:07 pm to Covingtontiger77
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Yikes...MPD manual allows and teaches maneuver
They might teach it to get a person under control, but I doubt they teach them to do it when that person is already restrained by handcuffs. Also, I'm sure they don't teach them to do it for 6 minutes or more.
This post was edited on 5/30/20 at 1:12 pm
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Posted on 5/30/20 at 1:11 pm to Covingtontiger77
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when this cop walks and then sues the MPD?
Especially since the official autopsy lists a combination of heart disease, possible intoxicants, and underlying conditions, not asphyxia, as the cause of death. Manslaughter is the upper limit for what he might be convicted. All these talking heads claiming murder are going to be super upset when the verdict comes in.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 1:11 pm to Sao
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You'll even see on the link I posted they had the cruiser door already open for him.
I watched that video from the coffee shop where they initiated contact across from the police car. What I want to know is why he dropped like a sack of rocks when they got over to the cruiser. It looked like everything was just fine and he all of a sudden just falls out. It's very strange
Posted on 5/30/20 at 1:12 pm to davyjones
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Oh it's definitely in policy. But this isn't a matter of policy. It's a matter of fact inasmuch as did the officer's actions fall justifiably within said policy. By way of example, deadly force is allowed by policy as well....but we know that the use of that deadly force can be questioned in terms of did the specific circumstances (and officer's actions);surrounding the use of deadly force fall within or without the strict parameters of their policy on use of deadly force.
Agree totally. But a misapplication of policy does not necessarily mean 1st Degree Murder. The edgy keyboard virtue warriors' on here may be sadly disappointed. Don't know how Minnesota law is written, but Negligent Homicide or Manslaughter may be the best the state can wrangle out of this.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 1:30 pm to Covingtontiger77
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According to the policy, a neck restraint can be used as a form of a “non-deadly option” and is defined as “compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck).”
For an excessive amount of time? That’s the biggest problem with the video. Restraining him isn’t a big deal. Putting your knee on his neck for such a long time is the problem. You’ve got him subdued and handcuffed next to a patrol vehicle. Put him in the car. What was the purpose of keeping your weight on him for that amount of time?
Posted on 5/30/20 at 1:37 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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But a misapplication of policy does not necessarily mean 1st Degree Murder.
I think that's a completely accurate statement. It may not necessarily mean any level of murder at that, in my mind. That 2014 case in NYC, Eric Garner, guy who was choked out by officers who were addressing alleged criminal sales of single cigarettes of all things, that/those cops were cleared of any criminal wrongdoing. And in that case Garner also proclaimed that he couldn't breathe. They were cleared nonetheless. Pretty similar circumstances, but again it's the nitty gritty factual distinctions that matter most.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 1:42 pm to JJ27
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For an excessive amount of time? That’s the biggest problem with the video. Restraining him isn’t a big deal. Putting your knee on his neck for such a long time is the problem. You’ve got him subdued and handcuffed next to a patrol vehicle. Put him in the car. What was the purpose of keeping your weight on him for that amount of time?
It appears with what has been released by various sources is he was arrested and cuffed. Everything appeared to be going peacefully and at some point he refused to enter the cruiser. It sounds like he was complaining of shortness of breath before being pinned. It sounds like that is why an ambulance was called on the scene. It looks like they felt they should restrain him physically until the ambulance arrived. This could be wrong, but as of now that’s the narrative.
The police over did it on restraining Mr. Floyd. We can all agree on that. There is a lot we don’t know. If he died due to a heart attack I don’t think you can convict the officers for murder. I’m not sure if you can charge them for not attending to a medical emergency, or what that charge would even be.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 1:43 pm to LSUnation78
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You use it as instructed, and someone dies... you actually think that means the officer is non-compliant?
I think when an officer has his knee on a person’s neck and the person says he can’t breathe, and others complain he’s unresponsive, the officer is bound by his humanity to check to see if the guy is alright, not drive his knee in by putting his weight into him all the more. That’s what I think.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 2:12 pm to Covingtontiger77
It’s impossible to say “I can’t breathe” if you can’t breathe.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 2:14 pm to Covingtontiger77
So the dude was on drugs and unhealthy and we’re going to blame the police officer for doing an approved restraint technique?
Posted on 5/30/20 at 2:15 pm to Covingtontiger77
Does it say to do this maneuver for ten minutes?
Posted on 5/30/20 at 2:15 pm to Covingtontiger77
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Yikes...MPD manual allows and teaches maneuver used by Killer Cop
Thread title is misleading. The words quoted in the manual do not equate to the technique observed on video.
The actual approved technique is very likely much more precise than the quoted language in the manual would lead people to believe.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 2:17 pm to griswold
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It’s impossible to say “I can’t breathe” if you can’t breathe
Can you make noise underwater?
Posted on 5/30/20 at 2:19 pm to griswold
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It’s impossible to say “I can’t breathe” if you can’t breathe.
Being a grammar Nazi is not an approved comeback in court.
Are you under the impression that the cops should be trained to take everyone's words literally, or should they be trained to understand what people are trying to say? The crowd seemed to understand. Why didn't the officers?
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