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re: Yearly Pet Vaccinations: Are They Necessary?
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:50 pm to DawgGONIT
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:50 pm to DawgGONIT
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Seems like millions of years worth of evolution support this
so evolution means animals can't get sick? interesting. i had never thought of that when my family members got cancer - must have been a scam.
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:56 pm to More beer please
quote:Well people it is decided. It is best to be safe than sorry. Whats that you want a gun to protect your house? Think again, what if you kill yourself with your gun while cleaning it? All it takes is 1 time, as we have heard many many examples of this happening. Best preventative measure, is don't get a gun, and just get robbed.
Thats fine and thats their choice. They can also drive around town all day speeding with their child unbuckled and be fine. But that one time they get in a wreck, they wont forget it.
Driving to work, think again. People die all the time from driving, so lets play it safe and get rid of cars. We will uses horses now....n/m they may kick the rider in the head when they aren't looking. I guess we will walk every where. ....
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 5/20/16 at 4:09 pm to AU_251
Dr Ronald Schultz is doing a huge study on how long vaccinations in dogs last
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Research by Dr. Ronald D Schultz, shows that a vaccine received at or after 12 weeks of age provides immunity in over 95% of dogs. He also states that the less than 5% which did not have immunity would never get immunity regardless of how many vaccinations they received. Dr. Schultz is the author of this paragraph in Kirk's "Current Veterinary Therapy XI", the conventional medicine textbook: "A practice that was started many years ago and that lacks scientific validity or verification is annual revaccinations. Almost without exception there is no immunologic requirement for annual revaccination. Immunity to viruses persists for years or for the life of the animal. Successful vaccination to most bacterial pathogens produces an immunologic memory that remains for years, allowing an animal to develop a protective anamnestic (secondary) response when exposed to virulent organisms. Only the immune response to toxins requires boosters (e.g. tetanus toxin booster, in humans, is recommended once every 7-10 years), and no toxin vaccines are currently used for dogs and cats. Furthermore, revaccination with most viral vaccines fails to stimulate an anamnestic (secondary) response as a result of interference by existing antibody (similar to maternal antibody interference). The practice of annualvaccination in our opinion should be considered of questionable efficacy unless it is used as a mechanism to provide an annual physical examination or is required by law (i.e., certain states require annual revaccination for rabies)."
Another interesting point on the vacination issue is that your dog will in fact essentially be "vaccinated" on a regular basis by being exposed to other dogs that have been vaccinated recently. You see, for a several week period after vaccination with a modified live virus vaccine, dogs will actually "shed" particles of the virus into their environment. When another dog is exposed to the shed virus, it stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies, just the same as if it was exposted to the actual disease. Only this is much safer, since it is through a more natural means of exposure (inhaled or ingested rather than injected) and with a much smaller dosage. This vaccination through shed virus is known as the "herd immunity effect". So as long as you keep taking your dog (over 16 weeks) out and about and expose it to other dogs regularly (parks, training classes, dog shows) it will regularly receive low-level stimulation of its immunity, which is safe and effective.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 4:12 pm to TJGator1215
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Another interesting point on the vacination issue is that your dog will in fact essentially be "vaccinated" on a regular basis by being exposed to other dogs that have been vaccinated recently.
so this guy is gonna use the antivaxxer argument that it is actually safer to not get vaccinated because "everybody else is?" that is laughable. the most obvious flaw with his plan - if everybody follows his advice, there will be no dogs in the herd to spread the vaccine (which is itself a dubious claim).
Posted on 5/20/16 at 4:27 pm to AU_251
Your dogs can get leptospirosis from drinking water in the woods. If you want go to a feed store or co-op and buy your own vaccines and do it. The only one mandated by law is rabies and it has to be given by a licensed vet. Also animals like raccoons can carry rabies and be asymptomatic and your dog may interact with raccoons skunks etc.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 5:22 pm to AU_251
Sure...if you want an autistic dog.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 6:47 pm to tigerinthebueche
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dude just stop. You're talking out of your arse now.
He's actually not. Canine combo vaccines like a C4 (distemper, adenovirus, parainfluenza, and parvovirus) are sold to vets for way less than the vet charges. The vet makes more off a dose than the vaccine manufacturer and it isn't even close. There are exceptions but for core vaccines vets get most of the profit.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 7:51 pm to AU_251
Say no to vaccines
Good article on the dangers of pet vaccines.
I don't give my dogs vaccines after the first year. My vet is fine with it. I do give them heart worm preventative.
I vaccinate my horses every 5 years; and then only the basics. My dad, who was a cutting horse trainer, never vaccinated his horses - and these horses worked for a living. Never had any issues. I vaccinated my eventing horses yearly and had a plethora of problems from rain rot in healthy horses to degenerative nerve disorders. All were very $$$ to treat. Since I have cut down on the vaccines, my vet bill has shrunk drastically and my horses are healthier.
Good article on the dangers of pet vaccines.
I don't give my dogs vaccines after the first year. My vet is fine with it. I do give them heart worm preventative.
I vaccinate my horses every 5 years; and then only the basics. My dad, who was a cutting horse trainer, never vaccinated his horses - and these horses worked for a living. Never had any issues. I vaccinated my eventing horses yearly and had a plethora of problems from rain rot in healthy horses to degenerative nerve disorders. All were very $$$ to treat. Since I have cut down on the vaccines, my vet bill has shrunk drastically and my horses are healthier.
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 5/20/16 at 8:42 pm to lsujro
quote:If dogs are required to get these shots, it seems like nature has been doing something wrong. Makes you wonder how dogs have survived this long without vaccines, which must be a new thing.
so evolution means animals can't get sick? interesting. i had never thought of that when my family members got cancer - must have been a scam.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 8:52 pm to HaveMercy
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Good article on the dangers of pet vaccines.
Written by...
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An avid independent researcher, writer, speaker, foodie, herbalist, lifelong lover of nature, and perpetual student, Linda Zurich is the author of Detoxification: 70 Ways to Cleanse, Clear and Purify Your Body, Space and Life, and the Raw Fed Cats eBook.
Well I'm sold
Posted on 5/20/16 at 8:54 pm to DawgGONIT
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If dogs are required to get these shots, it seems like nature has been doing something wrong. Makes you wonder how dogs have survived this long without vaccines, which must be a new thing.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:51 pm to AU_251
Does he stay inside 90% of the time? Then no
Is he outside with other dogs? Then yes
Is he outside with other dogs? Then yes
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:02 pm to cubsfan5150
Yeah, my dog interacts with us. About it. So we vaccinate before we need to board. If he gets rabies from sleeping in a house and walking/running on a leash so be it. Do advantage for fleas. Much more likely to get aids from a burglar. Which, is pretty slim since burglars hate dogs. But, I'm sure some helicopter dog nut will tell me something stupid like he may get in a tussle with a wild coyote or a snow leopard.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:05 pm to AU_251
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Is their a vaccine for heartworm, or is it something you must give monthly?
Ivomec is an injectable medication made specifically for cattle and swine, but many people use Ivomec for dogs as a substitute for more expensive heartworm medication. The active ingredient in Ivomec injections is Ivermectin, the same as that used in brands such as Heartgard
Posted on 5/21/16 at 12:00 am to AubieALUMdvm
Texas Vaccine Lawsuit
The first article I linked was in layman' sterns and easy to read.
The lawsuit that I just attached has several credible sources cited if you care to research further. Not trying to start an OT argument - just a topic I feel strongly about.
I raise cattle for a living and horses for a hobby; My dedication to proper animal husbandry benefits not only the welfare of my stock, but synergistically my bottom line as well.
Don't even get me started on the crap that is injected into cattle that are subsequently consumed by humans.
The first article I linked was in layman' sterns and easy to read.
The lawsuit that I just attached has several credible sources cited if you care to research further. Not trying to start an OT argument - just a topic I feel strongly about.
I raise cattle for a living and horses for a hobby; My dedication to proper animal husbandry benefits not only the welfare of my stock, but synergistically my bottom line as well.
Don't even get me started on the crap that is injected into cattle that are subsequently consumed by humans.
Posted on 5/21/16 at 4:05 am to lsujro
No he's saying:
Vaccinations last the life of most dogs, and that annual vaccinations are a waste of money because their immune system fights the New vaccine. That when a dog has been vaccinated the vaccine is spread through the air to other dogs and you shouldn't keep revaccinating unless required by law.
Vaccinations last the life of most dogs, and that annual vaccinations are a waste of money because their immune system fights the New vaccine. That when a dog has been vaccinated the vaccine is spread through the air to other dogs and you shouldn't keep revaccinating unless required by law.
Posted on 5/21/16 at 7:15 am to AthensRattler
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He's actually not. Canine combo vaccines like a C4 (distemper, adenovirus, parainfluenza, and parvovirus) are sold to vets for way less than the vet charges. The vet makes more off a dose than the vaccine manufacturer and it isn't even close. There are exceptions but for core vaccines vets get most of the profit.
Do you work for free?
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret: all "for profit" businesses are trying to make...a profit.
I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing that the vaccines are cheap ($1, as he stated).
I'm also disputing that all vets recommend unnecessary procedures just to make money.
They don't! Most recommend procedures that are in the best interest of the animal. That doesn't mean it won't cost the owner. It also doesn't mean the owner HAS to do it. Your dentist and Doctor will recommend procedures too. Just like your insurance agent or CPA makes recommendations. But they usually cost you, right. So why is the vet the only professional who is trying to screw you?
You can agree to the procedure or not. Maybe your animal will be better off. Maybe not. But the theory that vaccines are a rip off, a sham, and something vets only suggest as a means to make money, is patently absurd and complete rubbish.
Posted on 5/21/16 at 7:27 am to AU_251
My 13 year old did not receive annual vaccinations this year. Vet said it was not necessary as she has more than likely built up an immunity through the years.
She's an inside dog and her outside environment is controlled and always watched when she is relieving herself.
She takes flea medicine and Heartworm medicine monthly.
We opted to use those saved dollars on blood work to ensure internally she is doing fine.
She's an inside dog and her outside environment is controlled and always watched when she is relieving herself.
She takes flea medicine and Heartworm medicine monthly.
We opted to use those saved dollars on blood work to ensure internally she is doing fine.
Posted on 5/21/16 at 7:41 am to AU_251
There's a 6 month heartworm shot- ProHeart
This post was edited on 5/21/16 at 7:44 am
Posted on 5/21/16 at 7:49 am to tigerinthebueche
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Most recommend procedures that are in the best interest of the animal.
It's funny how some people in this thread believe that vets are like a shady auto mechanic. That they're just trying to give your animal unnecessary treatments to make money. If this is how you feel, do animals everywhere a favor and never own another one
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