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re: WWTOTD - Completely shafted for a raise
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:27 am to Koach K
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:27 am to Koach K
The OP thinking about getting his co-workers involved makes me think he is very young, immature and self-absorbed. Very weak move.
Something tells me his importance is greatly exaggerated and that he wont be with his current employer for long. Either by his choice or their choice.
Something tells me his importance is greatly exaggerated and that he wont be with his current employer for long. Either by his choice or their choice.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 9:31 am
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Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:58 am to el duderino III
You sound like you have an over-inflated ego. You basically did your job and got paid. Anyone, who thinks having the client or their subordinates come to their aid to "keep you from leaving", should leave. You're obviously not a strong leader.
What you should have done was have some bullet points of your accomplishments to share with your boss during the meeting. Toot your own horn. He probably does not realize the obstacles that you had to overcome to stabilize things.
My advice: start looking for another job and while you're at it grow up.
What you should have done was have some bullet points of your accomplishments to share with your boss during the meeting. Toot your own horn. He probably does not realize the obstacles that you had to overcome to stabilize things.
My advice: start looking for another job and while you're at it grow up.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:59 am to el duderino III
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The biggest problem with really smart IT people is that they struggle to communicate with people outside of their department, which for the most part applies to all other departments as well. So while being offered as a sacrificial lamb, I'm fortunate enough to have the technical knowledge to figure out the problems, and the people skills to get opposing teams to work together to solve them.
Sorry OP, office politics suck and I am not busting on you. But the quote above reminds me of this Office Space - I have people skills
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:03 am to Gaston
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Have to get he my formal two week
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Lady day is the 29th, so Monday...right?
You seem very organized.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:05 am to HubbaBubba
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How do I get your resume?
Hang on - OP is asking all of his coworkers to contact you on his behalf so they can explain how great he is.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:17 am to el duderino III
Fair is where a pig gets a ribbon. Keep trying to prove yourself there, or move on. It does not seem like they value you like you value you. You need to make a decision.
It really has been made for you, as it is not likely their minds will change.
It really has been made for you, as it is not likely their minds will change.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:18 am to el duderino III
You work in IT?
Shouldn't be too difficult to just hack HR and just give yourself a raise and more vacation hours in the system.
That's what I would do, but me? I'm a scumbag, so TIFWIW
Shouldn't be too difficult to just hack HR and just give yourself a raise and more vacation hours in the system.
That's what I would do, but me? I'm a scumbag, so TIFWIW
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:21 am to el duderino III
I wouldn’t even give them the attempt to match because, if they aren’t giving you respect for what you did, why should it change once you have a foot out the door?
Take interviews with other companies and find an alternative you are happy with.
It’s currently a low unemployment market so there should be a lot of openings to choose from.
Take interviews with other companies and find an alternative you are happy with.
It’s currently a low unemployment market so there should be a lot of openings to choose from.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:28 am to el duderino III
In his mind you are replaceable, Probably because you haven't done a good enough job of tooting your own horn. When I would go into a meeting like that I would always have a list of what I had done for the company both internally and externally and make sure to hit on every point. My boss often didn't know or care what I did day to day, only that I got my job done.
BTW: once you give your notice you have to leave.
BTW: once you give your notice you have to leave.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:31 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Put it in your resume and get that raise in an offer from another company.
When you get another offer, use it to get a counter offer.
If you get the counter = profit
If you don’t get the counter = profit
Horrible advice, never leverage one company against the other, because in the long run if you stay that company will figure out how to make your job not needed, and the first sign of trouble you will be let go. Unless you are a C level employee that is irreplaceable don't do it.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:34 am to el duderino III
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me leaving would make all their lives substantially worse, including my boss. he's just too distant from the process to even be aware of it
Explain your worth to the boss. Ask for the raise. Bosses expect good performers to ask for a raise; you just have to sell yourself.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:34 am to el duderino III
You should ALWAYS be on the lookout for bigger and better opportunities
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:37 am to VABuckeye
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You don't seem to understand that everyone, everyone is replaceable. There's another guy out there just as smart or smarter than you who's willing to take your job. Get over your inflated view of yourself.
My last job found out that while anyone is replaceable, not anyone is replaceable for the same amount of pay. Had they given me a raise it would have been far cheaper than losing me.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:14 am to el duderino III
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TLDR version: I busted my arse, accomplished something my boss thought was nearly impossible, saved the company tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, and was rewarded with absolutely nothing for it. Do I leverage the army of support and vocal loyalty of the people I've improved things for, go over his head even? Or just say frick him and move on?
You've stated he's not aware of the impact you've made on the organization. Why don't you write up a page or two of bulletized points that show the impact on expense, savings, morale, etc... or a slide deck to present your case and justify a raise? Ask for 30-45 minutes in a one-on-one after you're ready to go in front of him and kick some arse. I've done this successfully early in my career frequently. It's also how I got promoted to my first VP of Sales gig - had a plan and presented it to the executive team when the prior VP left.
I wouldn't give you a raise either if I didn't fully understand what you bring to the table. So, justify the raise with tangible data.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:19 am to el duderino III
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TLDR version: I busted my arse, accomplished something my boss thought was nearly impossible, saved the company tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, and was rewarded with absolutely nothing for it. Do I leverage the army of support and vocal loyalty of the people I've improved things for, go over his head even? Or just say frick him and move on?
TLDR version: You did your job
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:24 am to el duderino III
Unless you can get on his calendar once a month or so and communicate issues/resolutions that he may begin to value, nothing may change. Some Directors/Supervisors would welcome that. Brief and concise info, then ask his opinion.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:27 am to el duderino III
Welcome to planet earth.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:30 am to airfernando
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Sometimes it takes more than one big accomplishment to make bosses take notice, though. If they have a points system, play the points system and not what saves the company money or anything else.
This. Play the game. Understand that you do a good job because you want too. Not for anyone else. They'll never appreciate it in a corporate world.
The shite I do behind the scenes saves my company a shitload. I do bosses work because it makes it easier on me and my coworkers. My immediate boss has been over us for 4 years and still doesn't know what we do.
I do. I also make it a point to improve every situation I'm in. Help my shop workers and people that will have to come behind me. I currently do 4 jobs.
I'm paid well enough and my time here has allowed me to find a niche and use it to my advantage with my kids being small and the fact my wife and I are on our own pretty much and we lean on each other heavily.
I've been offered several other jobs but they would be hard to start out somewhere new while the kids are so small. It's affords me a nice life and I can be honest with myself I've done the best I can. God gave me the aptitude and it'd be a slap in the face to waste it.
Life's too short to seek accolades from management. If your not happy tell em to frick off and find somewhere you will be and take care of you.
Good luck
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:33 am to el duderino III
Like I was always told, doing a good job is like wetting in dark pants. It gives you a warm feeling, and nobody notices. Enjoy your wet seat.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:37 am to el duderino III
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well, you dont have the points for a raise outright
Can you elaborate on this.
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I'm not technically a manager, but my responsibilities span several departments so he's my only real boss.
What's your title?
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