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WWTOTD - Completely shafted for a raise
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:08 pm
TLDR version at the bottom.
I was brought on to an IT company a year ago, and immediately assigned a task that had been a problem for years. Basically an impossible task, that likely was just assigned an exclusive resource to just appear to be addressing the problem for the optics of it, without any real hope that I would make any improvements.
The main people involved (The head of accounting and her deputy) were the absolute most difficult people in the company to work with, though in their defense, the bulk of all the other procedural and structural flaws in the other departments ultimately would show up in the financials, so they could only eve be the bearers of bad news.
The biggest problem with really smart IT people is that they struggle to communicate with people outside of their department, which for the most part applies to all other departments as well. So while being offered as a sacrificial lamb, I'm fortunate enough to have the technical knowledge to figure out the problems, and the people skills to get opposing teams to work together to solve them.
In one year, i managed to completely change the culture of permanent discord, contentious meetings, and email threads that devolved into blame games, and we actually managed to fix, automate, or drastically improve about half the total business process. For just one monthly task of the Accounting Director, when I started it took her 50 hours a month. Now it takes her ten. And there are numerous other examples of that.
Literally every person I work with praises the effort I've put in and comments in some way on how much better things are and thanks me for it.
I met with my boss today, a little over a year after my start date. I planned to lay out my future plans, pitch some of my ideas for additional improvements, ask for a sort of promotion (call it a diagonal move), or at least a title change, a raise or a bonus, etc. I wanted to do this while I had leverage - before i fixed all the res of their shite for them.
I was given nothing. He actually said, well, you dont have the points for a raise outright, but I can put in a request for a 3% raise, but I dont know if that will be approved by the VP.
Part of the problem is that he is so detached from my day to day work, I'm not sure he is even aware of the value I've brought, but that may be optimistic.
What's my best play here? This happened 6 hours ago, I've applied for 8 jobs since then, but should I wait for an offer then use that as leverage? should I have my employees write to him to explain how fricked they would all be if I left? They might do that on their own if I tell them what happened and I'll be leaving because of it. It's as if I've improved things for so long that he's forgotten how much of complete shitshow things were before I got here. Or is it actually a possibility that he really has no choice in the matter?
This is not a small company by the way. He is the IT Director over about 60 employees, and I'm not technically a manager, but my responsibilities span several departments so he's my only real boss. We are a satellite branch of a fortune 500 company with about 3000 employees, and we also just got back $20 million from trumps tax cut
TLDR version: I busted my arse, accomplished something my boss thought was nearly impossible, saved the company tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, and was rewarded with absolutely nothing for it. Do I go over his head to the VP? Or just say frick him and move on?
ETA: Also, all you fricks calling me a millennial - I'm 30 years old, grew up without the internet, have virtually no social media presence, and my hardass of an old man put me to work doing manual labor at 12. So I don't know what the age cutoff is supposed to be for millennial, but that's a word I've for damn sure never been mentioned in the same sentence with
I was brought on to an IT company a year ago, and immediately assigned a task that had been a problem for years. Basically an impossible task, that likely was just assigned an exclusive resource to just appear to be addressing the problem for the optics of it, without any real hope that I would make any improvements.
The main people involved (The head of accounting and her deputy) were the absolute most difficult people in the company to work with, though in their defense, the bulk of all the other procedural and structural flaws in the other departments ultimately would show up in the financials, so they could only eve be the bearers of bad news.
The biggest problem with really smart IT people is that they struggle to communicate with people outside of their department, which for the most part applies to all other departments as well. So while being offered as a sacrificial lamb, I'm fortunate enough to have the technical knowledge to figure out the problems, and the people skills to get opposing teams to work together to solve them.
In one year, i managed to completely change the culture of permanent discord, contentious meetings, and email threads that devolved into blame games, and we actually managed to fix, automate, or drastically improve about half the total business process. For just one monthly task of the Accounting Director, when I started it took her 50 hours a month. Now it takes her ten. And there are numerous other examples of that.
Literally every person I work with praises the effort I've put in and comments in some way on how much better things are and thanks me for it.
I met with my boss today, a little over a year after my start date. I planned to lay out my future plans, pitch some of my ideas for additional improvements, ask for a sort of promotion (call it a diagonal move), or at least a title change, a raise or a bonus, etc. I wanted to do this while I had leverage - before i fixed all the res of their shite for them.
I was given nothing. He actually said, well, you dont have the points for a raise outright, but I can put in a request for a 3% raise, but I dont know if that will be approved by the VP.
Part of the problem is that he is so detached from my day to day work, I'm not sure he is even aware of the value I've brought, but that may be optimistic.
What's my best play here? This happened 6 hours ago, I've applied for 8 jobs since then, but should I wait for an offer then use that as leverage? should I have my employees write to him to explain how fricked they would all be if I left? They might do that on their own if I tell them what happened and I'll be leaving because of it. It's as if I've improved things for so long that he's forgotten how much of complete shitshow things were before I got here. Or is it actually a possibility that he really has no choice in the matter?
This is not a small company by the way. He is the IT Director over about 60 employees, and I'm not technically a manager, but my responsibilities span several departments so he's my only real boss. We are a satellite branch of a fortune 500 company with about 3000 employees, and we also just got back $20 million from trumps tax cut
TLDR version: I busted my arse, accomplished something my boss thought was nearly impossible, saved the company tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, and was rewarded with absolutely nothing for it. Do I go over his head to the VP? Or just say frick him and move on?
ETA: Also, all you fricks calling me a millennial - I'm 30 years old, grew up without the internet, have virtually no social media presence, and my hardass of an old man put me to work doing manual labor at 12. So I don't know what the age cutoff is supposed to be for millennial, but that's a word I've for damn sure never been mentioned in the same sentence with
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:12 pm to el duderino III
Whoop dee shite.
So, you came in and did your job, probably getting paid a decent enough salary along the way. Now you bitch because you don't get a fat raise because of an accomplishment.
If you really don't like it, leave and find someone who will pay you what you think you should get. Or start your own company. It's a free country.
So, you came in and did your job, probably getting paid a decent enough salary along the way. Now you bitch because you don't get a fat raise because of an accomplishment.
If you really don't like it, leave and find someone who will pay you what you think you should get. Or start your own company. It's a free country.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:13 pm to el duderino III
Man are you really considering enlisting "your employees" to advocate for you? Is this real life? Professionals do this?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:14 pm to el duderino III
quote:
TLDR version: I busted my arse, accomplished something my boss thought was nearly impossible
Y2K?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:20 pm to el duderino III
Walk into your boss’s office, demand a raise and threaten castration if he doesn’t comply.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:21 pm to el duderino III
Thought it said sharted for a raise... GL
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:21 pm to el duderino III
He probably gets a payroll mngt bonus. He will stiff arm any request unless he is forced to offer it. Nothing personal, he's just an asswipe, greed head corporate tool. Change jobs and frick him over on your way out.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:23 pm to el duderino III
Lol. Welcome to the corperate world. You only have 35 years of it. Now you know why we are so salty. Wait until you learn about family health insurance.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:24 pm to el duderino III
Put it in your resume and get that raise in an offer from another company.
When you get another offer, use it to get a counter offer.
If you get the counter = profit
If you don’t get the counter = profit
When you get another offer, use it to get a counter offer.
If you get the counter = profit
If you don’t get the counter = profit
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:25 pm to East Coast Band
quote:actually I was getting 68k, less than the median for my title and experience level, and was doing the jobs of several managers without being asked to.
probably getting paid a decent enough salary along the way. Now you bitch because you don't get a fat raise because of an accomplishment.
and i wasn't asking for a "fat" raise, it was the fact that my work was deemed worth absolutely nothing.
so go frick yourself
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:26 pm to birdieman
quote:me leaving would make all their lives substantially worse, including my boss. he's just too distant from the process to even be aware of it
are you really considering enlisting "your employees" to advocate for you
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:30 pm to el duderino III
Look if you really think you deserve a raise and don't get one after outright asking for one, then start looking elsewhere.
If you get a better offer from another company and would still rather stay where you are, use that offer as leverage in drawing a hard line this time when you request a raise again.
Be prepared to walk as you should if you don't get what you think you really really deserve.
ETA: I've been in this exact situation with a boss exactly like you are describing. Completely detached from what's going on. So much so that he couldn't do anyone's job in our department if he were asked to. He was clueless. And on top of that, had the same mindset as you described - Felt an employee going above and beyond was simply rewarded by the pay he or she made at that time. Nothing more. Nothing less.
To me, it's about being appreciated.
If you get a better offer from another company and would still rather stay where you are, use that offer as leverage in drawing a hard line this time when you request a raise again.
Be prepared to walk as you should if you don't get what you think you really really deserve.
ETA: I've been in this exact situation with a boss exactly like you are describing. Completely detached from what's going on. So much so that he couldn't do anyone's job in our department if he were asked to. He was clueless. And on top of that, had the same mindset as you described - Felt an employee going above and beyond was simply rewarded by the pay he or she made at that time. Nothing more. Nothing less.
To me, it's about being appreciated.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:32 pm to el duderino III
This is where you put a zero day exploit in the system, timed to hit exactly three days after you quit. They'll come begging you.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:35 pm to el duderino III
Quit working so hard
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:37 pm to el duderino III
So you were hired to perform a task (fix a known problem) and you completed the task and you think you deserve a raise because of it?
It sounds like you did a piss poor job of negotiating your starting salary.
You deserve a pat on the back.
It sounds like you did a piss poor job of negotiating your starting salary.
You deserve a pat on the back.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:37 pm to el duderino III
Drag that MF'er?
I think that's what the plant baws do.
I think that's what the plant baws do.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:38 pm to el duderino III
You're dealing with a cost center budget set months ago. It's June. Your efficiencies haven't been realized in dollars at this point. All you have is anecdotal internal morale wins.
Sure, you're probably valuable but again, in June, you're not the budget line item you think you are.
Sure, you're probably valuable but again, in June, you're not the budget line item you think you are.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:45 pm to el duderino III
There are unknowns here.
How does the “point system” work and was this explained to you previously?
At times point systems in larger companies do not necessarily reflect the work a person in a somewhat flex position can contribute. This is perhaps where your boss and possibly hr may have failed you.
Did your boss acknowledge the work you did, and the effects on the other departments? If not, then it is definitely worth having another conversation. His hands really might be tied though. That’s ultimately what you need to find out. Maybe approach him with I had a few things to discuss with you and would like to set another meeting on this.
Seems really unprofessional to involve anyone else especially your employees.
I think you at least deserve a 3% raise.
How does the “point system” work and was this explained to you previously?
At times point systems in larger companies do not necessarily reflect the work a person in a somewhat flex position can contribute. This is perhaps where your boss and possibly hr may have failed you.
Did your boss acknowledge the work you did, and the effects on the other departments? If not, then it is definitely worth having another conversation. His hands really might be tied though. That’s ultimately what you need to find out. Maybe approach him with I had a few things to discuss with you and would like to set another meeting on this.
Seems really unprofessional to involve anyone else especially your employees.
I think you at least deserve a 3% raise.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:02 am to el duderino III
File a sexual harassment complaint against your boss to HR
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:12 am to el duderino III
The company never had a stated or implied agreement to give you a reward for doing your job. You impressed yourself but not your bosses. That sucks, but people are seldom going to care how great you do. Social media, etc exists for the purpose of people bragging about themselves, not caring about other people's accomplishments.
Sometimes it takes more than one big accomplishment to make bosses take notice, though. If they have a points system, play the points system and not what saves the company money or anything else.
Sometimes it takes more than one big accomplishment to make bosses take notice, though. If they have a points system, play the points system and not what saves the company money or anything else.
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