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re: WSJ: 'The South’s Economy Is Falling Behind: ‘All of a Sudden the Money Stops Flowing’'
Posted on 6/11/19 at 6:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/11/19 at 6:58 am to SlowFlowPro
He’s a theorist who is mostly political. That’s all he is.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:09 am to Martini
Story used Natchez as a primary example.
Actually, the story dovetailed with a BRBR story a few years ago on why BR was falling behind.
Actually, the story dovetailed with a BRBR story a few years ago on why BR was falling behind.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:15 am to Sao
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If you're inclined to believe a state's economy is booming, you need to ask yourself where it's thriving. Is it small town Tennessee, Texas, Florida, Georgia and Kentucky? No. Not at all. Sooo... Nashville, AR will never be Nashville, TN and so on and so on.
So small Southern towns in the middle of nowhere aren’t economic engines like big cities are? This is not earth shattering news and it probably holds true everywhere, not just in the South.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:17 am to prplhze2000
Where exactly are small towns booming? They sure as hell aren’t in Illinois or in Wisconsin (where I grew up).
Articles like this like to selectively use certain spots and they discount the areas that don’t fit the narrative. Well Texas, Florida, North Carolina, and Tennessee? Well that’s not REALLY the south. Only the areas with a weaker economy qualify as the south. Never mind that almost 70 million people live in those states compared to like 16 million in Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana
Articles like this like to selectively use certain spots and they discount the areas that don’t fit the narrative. Well Texas, Florida, North Carolina, and Tennessee? Well that’s not REALLY the south. Only the areas with a weaker economy qualify as the south. Never mind that almost 70 million people live in those states compared to like 16 million in Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 7:25 am
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:19 am to Bruco
Shhhhh. You’re killing the narrative!
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:22 am to ExtraGravy
I can’t even tell you how awesome it would be if the gulf coast had more plants outside of LA. Yeah, i know Texas does but i mean, MS, AL, or Florida. I would there in a second for a plant job around those areas
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:25 am to Fat and Happy
Mobile Bay has a few plants, and there’s a big arse refinery in Pascagoula, MS.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:36 am to ExtraGravy
This was written by a liberal.
So facts are skewed. False story.
So facts are skewed. False story.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:40 am to Bruco
Not to mention smaller towns in the Rust Belt and Midwest (especially Great Plains) are struggling as well.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:43 am to yaboidarrell
The story should really be cities vs. smaller towns / rural areas. The South just has fewer cities.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:45 am to ExtraGravy
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I thought suggestions in the thread like "omg once you start electing Democrats it's sure failure!" were ridiculous,
Until you look at every city that's run by Dems and they eventually all look alike
Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:05 am to Wtodd
I always like to bring this up in the discussion when we talk about ignorant/racist/poverty stricken south.
It's not a right or left issue, Republicans aren't always right and a Democrats aren't always wrong... but facts is facts.
The South's perception is given to them by people that don't vote like the rest of the state.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:12 am to simonizer
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Richard Florida, an urbanization expert at the University of Toronto.
stopped right there
Which was convenient because that was the end of the post.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:15 am to ExtraGravy
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The American South spent much of the past century trying to overcome its position as the country’s poorest and least-developed region
While as a whole, this is correct, but we also have some substantial economic growth in the South (see Atlanta, Tampa, Charlotte, Nashville, and so on). Even smaller cities (Greenville, Charleston, Huntsville, Birmingham, Asheville) have had some noteworthy economic growth.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:19 am to Fat and Happy
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I can’t even tell you how awesome it would be if the gulf coast had more plants outside of LA. Yeah, i know Texas does but i mean, MS, AL, or Florida. I would there in a second for a plant job around those areas
It would be nice to have options other than Baton Rouge or Houston.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:21 am to LSUbase13
It's all demographics.
This is why political correctness is one of the most important issues of our time, because it prevents people from being honest in their discussions, which then prevents problems from being solved.
The head line should be:
The South is lagging due to poor, uneducated blacks.
This is why political correctness is one of the most important issues of our time, because it prevents people from being honest in their discussions, which then prevents problems from being solved.
The head line should be:
The South is lagging due to poor, uneducated blacks.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:32 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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It's all demographics.
This is why political correctness is one of the most important issues of our time, because it prevents people from being honest in their discussions, which then prevents problems from being solved.
The head line should be:
The South is lagging due to poor, uneducated blacks.
Go look at the uneducated whites throughout the rust belt Midwest and north east. Small town America is dying because the because the mill jobs have gone overseas and the small farmer is being bought out or run out by large corporate farms. This is all over the country.
The small towns that thrive are mostly bedroom communities to larger cities or tourist destinations.
And anyone in this thread should read Hillbilly Elegy by JD Vance.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:56 am to fallguy_1978
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Lack of commitment to education
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Louisiana spends mid 20s per pupil and has 46th ranked schools. Do you think we'd do any better if we spent more?
Commitment doesn't just mean total dollars spent. If we were truly committed to education, for example, we would spend the money quite differently. We would also have the schools more intertwined within the community.
"Educating students" is pretty far down the line of priorities for many of our school systems.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:03 am to ExtraGravy
For every "mill" in the south that's closing, there is a chemical / oil and gas facility that is hiring.
For every manufacturing plant that is closing, there is a wharf betting for employees.
The South is urbanizing. These small towns lose their paper mill and have nothing left going for it, so the residents have to move to where the new jobs are, which are increasingly along waterways and in big cities.
This isn't the "South's economy is falling behind". The "South" as a whole is doing great. However, that is made up of a lot of winning communities and losing communities.
For every manufacturing plant that is closing, there is a wharf betting for employees.
The South is urbanizing. These small towns lose their paper mill and have nothing left going for it, so the residents have to move to where the new jobs are, which are increasingly along waterways and in big cities.
This isn't the "South's economy is falling behind". The "South" as a whole is doing great. However, that is made up of a lot of winning communities and losing communities.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:04 am to Oilfieldbiology
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North and Central Louisiana, Mississippi, and Arkansas will always be poor. Texas and Alabama are booming right now.
This is accurate.
South Louisiana can’t be put into the same boat as north and central Louisiana economically
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