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re: Wsj breaking: 2% of Americans had covid in their blood before Christmas 2019

Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:25 am to
Posted by OSqueal
Member since Jan 2011
5968 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:25 am to
My last manager got sick as hell the end of last year and half our team was out, coincidentally the ones that sat nearest to him. Also went to my doctor back around June and as we talked I brought this virus. He said he had treated numerous patients at the end of 2019 with flu like symptoms and none of them tested positive for the flu. I've been saying since spring this thing has been here long before they thought.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25848 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:37 am to
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2% of Americans had covid in their blood before Christmas 2019


And, even by that point, it was already too late for any lockdown to work at "stopping the spread."
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10721 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:48 am to
My whole family was sick during this time last year. I felt bad ran fever for a few days then I was over it. I rarely ever get sick and haven't had the flu in 20yrs. My son tested negative for the flu. I'm not saying it was covid but it was a strange virus that wasn't the flu. I don't remember if we could taste or smell though.
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
18006 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:49 am to
I was among them. I went to Spain in November 19 and got sick a week after my return. It was like bronchitis without phlegm, fever every day and just felt like crap for about a week.

Since the actual pandemic, four people who work in close proximity to me have had it and I have not.

It was here much earlier than we’re were led to believe.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19695 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:32 am to
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I was among them. I went to Spain in November 19 and got sick a week after my return. It was like bronchitis without phlegm, fever every day and just felt like crap for about a week.


I traveled to Europe for two weeks for work in late October 2019. A colleague on my team traveled to China (rural China at that) at the same time.

The Friday before Thanksgiving, I went home sick. (Cough, tired, etc.) Had Thanksgiving the following week. Two weeks later, paw-in-law had the exact same symptoms as I did. Cough didn't go away until after New Year's.

And Mrs. Sheep tested positive for 'rona a month or two ago - but I tested negative.

It's all anecdotal - but still.
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 8:33 am
Posted by Elusiveporpi
Below I-10
Member since Feb 2011
2710 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:51 am to
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About 70 percent of people with COVID-19 suddenly lose their sense of smell, although fewer of them seem to realize it,


With the above being true, this could give some a better idea if they had it in the Nov-Dec time frame. But as it says, you may not realize you cant taste or smell. I did, but it take me a day or to realize it.
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 8:57 am
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
10532 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:52 am to
All of it is fake outrage by the media.

If not for constant 24/7 fear mongering from news outlets and moron politicians, you wouldn’t know anything was different than last year
Posted by YumYum Sauce
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
9391 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 9:06 am to
Tom Cotton was called racist, xenophobic, etc. for calling out China's frickery back in Feb/March. The Media blasted him for it. They lapped up anything China said about this virus. Your common smart person assumed they were lying.

The media sat on all this for the better part of a year until Biden got elected.


We live in a fricking clown world
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
69129 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 9:19 am to
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Scientists at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found evidence of infection in 106 of 7,389 blood donations


Rookie numbers. 45 minutes into this thread, and we already have over 1000 cases of Covid from late 2019 just on the OT.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17166 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 9:26 am to
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Scientists at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found evidence of infection in 106 of 7,389 blood donations collected by the American Red Cross from residents in nine states across the U.S., according to the study published online in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.

The scientists based their study on blood samples that the American Red Cross collected between Dec. 13 and Jan. 17 and later sent to the CDC for testing to see if any had antibodies to the new coronavirus, which is named SARS-CoV-2.

Does not = 2% of Americans had covid in their blood before Christmas 2019.

Here's an NPR article on it, because the WSJ is behind a paywall.

NPR Article

quote:

Researchers found coronavirus antibodies in 39 samples from California, Oregon, and Washington as early as Dec. 13 to Dec. 16. They also discovered antibodies in 67 samples from Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin in early January — before widespread outbreaks in those states.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12398 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 9:28 am to
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We had a Super Bowl, basketball games, national championship, life as usual. Where was the hospital overflow?

It’s almost like the virus was not widespread and was only just in its beginning stages of infecting people.
Posted by Outside looking in
Member since Apr 2011
549 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 10:01 am to
This data probably only tells us there is a 2% false positive rate to their assay.
Posted by BornCritic
Member since Nov 2020
696 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 10:05 am to
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why won’t those in power end this charade? Do they hate their constituents that much? Do they not trust us with freedom?


Some in power are following the guidance of supposed experts.

These experts are, for whatever reason, treating this mostly mild virus as if it's much deadlier than it is, and using unprecedented testing and diagnosis paradigms to blame deaths on the virus to keep people in fear.

This fear was used to allow mail-in voting to ensure Biden's victory. You can choose whether or not to believe that was the motivation for blowing it out of proportion.
The fear has also been used to do possibly irreparable damage to the small business economy, which will make it easier for bigger powers to further enrich themselves and remake the economy into whatever they want it to be.
And this will be used to force people into taking a rushed vaccine for a virus that most people wouldn't even notice as being out of the ordinary, other than the loss of smell, without all of the manufactured hysteria.
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
4021 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 10:42 am to
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Not sure about the 2% number but could be reasonable.


That would mean over 6,000,000 cases, seems kind of high.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86264 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 10:54 am to
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It seems clear that it was here earlier than they thought, but I'm skeptical of these anecdotal stories. Otherwise hospitals would have been filling up a couple of months earlier than they did. If 940 WM students were spreading covid around the community, you'd have been seeing a wave of unexplained nursing home deaths in Monroe by late December-early January instead of March-April.


I dont really agree with this because not many of them were probably going to nursing homes and then youd have to think a family member of these students would have to actually work at one if they were spreading it like that.

other option could be some of those were covid and some were not. so it hadnt really had the time to fully spread everywhere.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51335 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 11:48 am to
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2% of Americans had covid in their blood before Christmas 2019


quote:

found evidence of infection in 106 of 7,389 blood donations collected by the American Red Cross from residents in nine states


1.4%

quote:

collected between Dec. 13 and Jan. 17


So not before christmas
Posted by Stealth Matrix
29°59'55.98"N 90°05'21.85"W
Member since Aug 2019
10999 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 12:45 pm to
Makes sense, my dad had it Christmas, it emerged 2 weeks later in me and then all my coworkers 2 weeks after that. The wave had already passed over everyone I knew by February.

Good thing we closed everything down for this.
Posted by p&g
Dixie
Member since Jun 2005
12995 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 12:47 pm to
I know people who had symptoms last dec and January, tested neg for flu, strep and pneumonia.

4 of the 5-6 I’m taking about all went to Disney over holidays.
Posted by 4WHLN
Drinking at the Cottage Inn
Member since Mar 2013
7629 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 1:51 pm to
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It was here months before that. October and November of 2019 even.

YEP!
Local Doctors were dealing with cases back in August 2019 that would now be classified as a Covid case. These people were treated for their symptoms weather it was thought to be a fever virus or other random sinus infection and sent on their way.

Knowing what we know now, they have been able to go farther and farther back and find cases with the same symptoms of the China Virus
Posted by UnluckyTiger
Member since Sep 2003
41789 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 1:53 pm to
It was here earlier than December. I’m almost sure I had it in November. I imagine it’ll come out one day it was here before December
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