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re: Would you refuse to speak to your adult kids if they changed their religious beliefs?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:55 pm to Billy Blanks
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:55 pm to Billy Blanks
quote:Why?
Yikes. Really? These two are in shambles over it. It's been hard to watch.
One family is Catholic, the adult child is now Mormon.
One family is Baptist, the adult child is now atheist.
They are all adults, so why do any of them even discuss religion when around each other?
It seems pretty simple to me. Use common curtesy and maturity as adults, simply refrain from religious discussion. Above ALL be kind and LOVE each other.
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:58 pm to JiminyCricket
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I agree that there's nothing wrong with digging further into your faith during a season of doubt. I think some of the strongest believers have been through the storms of uncertainty. But that wasn't the point.
You made the point that anyone who has any doubt ever is not a true believer which is just objectively false. Jesus had a disciple called Doubting Thomas.
No, I made the point that if that doubt was not reconciled to the satisfaction of your god your faith was not strong enough to be a true believer. There is a huge gap between losing a loved one and doubting the existence of God and concluding that god is telling you to accept your loss as part of the bigger plan and you doing and your god telling you to strap a bomb to your chest and detonate it in a marketplace and you not doing that and your god continuing to tell you to....
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:59 pm to LNCHBOX
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Because you say so? You're speaking matter of factly for something you can't know definitely. Do you know with certainty that you did not make choice to be the first sperm to the egg?
Why is it always the sperm to the egg? Why is it never the egg to begin with? But I digress...I did not have anything to do with either being put in a position to create me...nor has anyone else. No one in the history of man, as far as we know, decided to exist on their own.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:00 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Why is it always the sperm to the egg?
Because science. What, you don't believe in that either?
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.I did not have anything to do with either being put in a position to create me...nor has anyone else. No one in the history of man, as far as we know, decided to exist on their own.
Another opinion offered as fact just to confirm your preconceived notions. You're a true believer in your own religion, you just don't call it that
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:02 pm to Tom288
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You're arguing that choices made throughout life have no meaning?
Of course not...I am merely stating that if one does not choose to exist, which no one ever did, free will as a concept is flawed. Yes, we have the freedom to make choices, but choices and will are vastly different concepts...
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:02 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
If they joined a cult such as Scientology or some other cult I would try my damndest to make them change their mind. If that didn’t work then I couldn’t hang around them anymore because I would constantly suspect they were mentally I’ll.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:03 pm to AwgustaDawg
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.I am merely stating that if one does not choose to exist, which no one ever did
Again, how do you know this?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:03 pm to AwgustaDawg
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As a sentient being you never had a choice to exist at all is the point. Therefore you never had free will because you existed through no effort on your part. After having existence forced on you you have the freedom to make choices but you never chose to exist in the first place therefore you did not have free will when it would have meant something.
This makes absolutely no sense. Free will is a concept that only has meaning if you exist.
How is someone supposed to have free will prior to their existence?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:04 pm to Dadren
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This makes absolutely no sense. Free will is a concept that only has meaning if you exist.
How is someone supposed to have free will prior to their existence?
He thinks he's on to something there
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:04 pm to LNCHBOX
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I love a good moving target as your argument devolves further into ridiculousness.
What often times appears as a moving target is actually the unsteady foundation underfoot of the person seeing the moving target, not the person holding said target steady.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:05 pm to AwgustaDawg
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What often times appears as a moving target is actually the unsteady foundation underfoot of the person seeing the moving target, not the person holding said target steady.
You don't even understand how humans are made, frick off with acting smarter than the rest of us
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:12 pm to LNCHBOX
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Again, how do you know this?
It is common knowledge and like all common items not worth as much as uncommon knowledge such as individuals do decide to exist...therefore I concede the point that the uncommon knowledge that people do decide to exist is vastly superior to the common knowledge that they do not....but I stand by that common knowledge as a solid fact until the darkness of my ignorance can be removed from my consciousness...which opens up a chance for someone to enlighten the world as to how people do indeed decide to exist at all....I will hang up and wait for that enlightment....
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:14 pm to Dadren
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This makes absolutely no sense. Free will is a concept that only has meaning if you exist.
How is someone supposed to have free will prior to their existence?
How could you have free will if you had no part in the decision for you to exist? The point you just made has been made many times by those who refute the concept of free will...if you exist you never had free will not to...
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:16 pm to LNCHBOX
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You don't even understand how humans are made, frick off with acting smarter than the rest of us
I have a better grasp of the concept of conception than someone who would posit that a swimmer is put in motion and finds an egg to fertilize of its own free will or volition. An individual makes the decision to put that swimmer in motion and HOPEFULLY a second individual has some say in having it placed in the general vicinity of an egg....
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:21 pm to RT1941
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Yikes. Really? These two are in shambles over it. It's been hard to watch.
Why?
One family is Catholic, the adult child is now Mormon.
One family is Baptist, the adult child is now atheist.
They are all adults, so why do any of them even discuss religion when around each other?
It seems pretty simple to me. Use common curtesy and maturity as adults, simply refrain from religious discussion. Above ALL be kind and LOVE each other.
Because they were close prior to.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:26 pm to AwgustaDawg
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No, I made the point that if that doubt was not reconciled to the satisfaction of your god your faith was not strong enough to be a true believer.
Well Jesus says we only need faith the size of a mustard seed. Seems like Christ understood the human condition and the struggle of doubt.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:28 pm to RT1941
quote:well... if they actually believe, they think their kid is going to hell and most parents don't want that
One family is Catholic, the adult child is now Mormon.
One family is Baptist, the adult child is now atheist.
They are all adults, so why do any of them even discuss religion when around each other?
It seems pretty simple to me. Use common curtesy and maturity as adults, simply refrain from religious discussion. Above ALL be kind and LOVE each other.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:31 pm to Billy Blanks
I grew up Catholic and i had friends, little kids, who were brutally fricked and sodomized by a priest in our parish .. luckily i escaped that fate, but that turned me off to Catholicism and most religions.. only ‘religion’ that intrigues me is Buddhism, but that’s more of a philosophy than a religion, and it’s values align with my own .. the religion that *fascinates * me the most is $cientology; ive seen all the specials and read most of the books.. to me, $cientology isnt any crazier than other religions though, it’s just NEWER .
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:32 pm to Billy Blanks
I have to pretend to give a rats arse about Judaism to appease family
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:35 pm to LSUfanNkaty
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Nah... only line I would draw in the sand would be if atheist or satanist or homosexualist
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