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re: Would you refuse to speak to your adult kids if they changed their religious beliefs?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:02 pm to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:02 pm to AwgustaDawg
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All religions are cults by definition...
Religions are just cults that survived past their original leader's death.
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:03 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Free will does not exist...if it did you could choose to not have it.
Did you put any thought into this nonsense before hitting submit?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:03 pm to msutiger
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Ridiculous. Every humans fights the ego/personal desire. For you to have this mindset, you either have complete control over it or it has complete control over you
No, my friend, not every human fights ego and personal desire. All humans have an ego and have personal desires but most of us simply keep them in check as best we can....and it doesn't take a helluva lot of effort. and it certainly isn't an internal struggle or a fight. I understand that religion can keep those among us with the inability to control themselves a measure of control but it often fails because it is not an internal control nor a control they really have any faith in...its just a crutch and a useful tool for when they do fail to maintain control of themselves to ask for and pretend to be for forgiven for their transgressions. I have transgressed against others as all humans have...I have always asked THAT person to forgive me and tried to make amends to that person...or I simply realized that I had failed MYSELF, not a god, and tried to do better. It is a matter of personal responsibility. Some of us accept that we are responsible for ourselves and our actions, others need some outside influence.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:04 pm to dgnx6
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The, i need your prayers threads arent being started by atheists. This thread probably wasnt started by an antheist. Most likely all the religion talk you have had today was started by a Christian.
The other poster who replied further up had a good point. I’m speaking again of my bubble of people, in real life, not on the internet. I haven’t had any religion talks today outside of this forum. If I have 50 people in my bubble between family, coworkers, neighbors, and friends I’d guess 40 of them would be Christian. I’m obviously taking a wild guess but for sure most would claim to be. The main ones I see bringing up religion are the atheists, again, not much to me, usually towards other people as they know I’m not giving the time of day. I do have a coworker who is Christian who can be annoying about it also, he also knows I’m not giving him the time of day. I discuss religion on here
at home, and with the preacher, that’s it. I agree with other Christians who say I should share the word, I do with my kids, but unless someone approaches me, I’m not sharing it, I’m not good with teaching or explaining how I feel on the inside. May be my weakness, but that’s how I am.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:04 pm to Billy Blanks
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What do they believe/not believe in?
One married an obnoxious far-left prog and now she's an atheist.
The gay one is torn I think. The alphabet people tell him how horrible Christians are but he sees that his parents aren't anything like that. But he's in that lifestyle and not in church.
Another is probably more agnostic. She is just so influenced by pop culture and social media that she can't let go long enough to actually seek the Lord. She does let us take our grandson to church and her boyfriends parents are practicing Christians too.
The final one believes in God and was faithful throughout college. But once working she fell in with the "party" girls. She just isn't willing at this point to give up the world pleasures to serve God.
But the prayers of the faithful avail much. I pray the Lord will place someone in their lives to plant the seeds. Mom and Dad are old fogies who don't understand anything after all.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:05 pm to Sayre
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Oh, the dumb shite you see on the OT.
yeah Hitler was a pantheist.
He was anti christian and anti jewish and thought christianity and Judaism's time were up.
Doesnt mean he didnt believe in a deity.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:07 pm to Mushroom1968
Im just pointing out that you are full of shite.
Why wouldnt you count this thread as talking about religion? You are participating in the discussion of religion with other chirstians but then go out of your way to say its atheists that bring it up.
I dont know you, but i know you are wrong.
Why wouldnt you count this thread as talking about religion? You are participating in the discussion of religion with other chirstians but then go out of your way to say its atheists that bring it up.
I dont know you, but i know you are wrong.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:09 pm to Billy Blanks
No way I’d cut off a family member for “believing” something different than me. We hand off our kids to their own care and what they do after that is of their own doing and their own business. C’est La vie!
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:09 pm to Twenty 49
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Not me. The Christians around here often want to know where you go to church, etc. I prefer not to discuss religion at all so do not engage.
There's no point in a discussion because neither of us will change the other's mind. But we may get pissed off. Just keep it to yourself and remain friends.
For the first 32 years of my adult life, and for some time prior to that as a teen, I would do the same thing. When someone asked me where I went to church, and being from the deep south it happens far too frequently because belonging to a church is really the important aspect of religion, I would make up a church and take the chagrin which resulted from not going to their church.
For the last 8-10 years though I have stopped lying to those people. I had experienced their contempt for not going to their church long enough. I now tell them I am an atheist (they wouldn't understand the middle ground of agnosticism) and they can either have contempt in their heart or not, it is up to them, but I no longer lie to them. If they take the time to know me they will know that, despite my shortcomings of not attending their church, I am as good to other people as anyone they know.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:10 pm to Billy Blanks
Not at all. Maybe if they became cannibals
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:10 pm to Billy Blanks
My children are both adults and make their own choices. If I "disown" them because they say they do not believe in God, what kind of example is that? I would pray for them, love them, and let them find God in their own time.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:10 pm to Adajax
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And yet here you are on nearly every page of this thread running your atheism up a flagpole so others can see how intellectual you are.
You are right, imagine the audacity of a poster on a message board following the theme of a post on that message board....disgusting I tell ya....
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:11 pm to dgnx6
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Im just pointing out that you are full of shite.
I’m just pointing out I’m not full of shite
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Why wouldnt you count this thread as talking about religion? You are participating in the discussion of religion with other chirstians but then go out of your way to say its atheists that bring it up.
I mean most of the replies in this thread are from atheists. I said other than here I don’t speak on it much. I am counting here, but other than here as in real life conversations I don’t discuss it. I don’t know how that’s difficult for you. If you don’t believe me, not sure why you wouldn’t as it’s an irrelevant comment on my part, than you just don’t believe me, I’m good.
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I dont know you, but i know you are wrong.
I’m not wrong, I’ve made it clear I’m speaking of my personal bubble, not yours, mine
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:12 pm to JiminyCricket
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Interesting that you've stated in this thread that Christians and anyone else who believes in a religion are arrogant because they believe they have the right answer and yet here you are, labeling billions of people with the broadest of brushes.
You are right, I am being an a-hole for labeling billions of people around the world as lacking the insanity it would take to be a true believer. God, how disgusting is that to accuse billions of people around the world of being sane and not insane...disgusting.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:16 pm to Dadren
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I could go out in the woods and self-terminate and my free will is instantly gone.
Perhaps somewhat morbid, but It doesn’t get any more free than that.
You could do this the minute you leapt out of your mama's crotch? Of course the answer is no. If you were somehow restrained you could end your existence? You could will yourself to die instantly? The answer is no. You could will yourself to have never existed in the first place? The answer is no. Free will does not exist. Self control does.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:16 pm to thegambler
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Live your life. Don't commit a felony. We're good.
Most of these are based off of religious beliefs are they not?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:17 pm to AwgustaDawg
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No, my friend, not every human fights ego and personal desire. All humans have an ego and have personal desires but most of us simply keep them in check as best we can....and it doesn't take a helluva lot of effort. and it certainly isn't an internal struggle or a fight.
Interesting.
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I understand that religion can keep those among us with the inability to control themselves a measure of control but it often fails because it is not an internal control nor a control they really have any faith in...its just a crutch and a useful tool for when they do fail to maintain control of themselves to ask for and pretend to be for forgiven for their transgressions.
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I have transgressed against others as all humans have..
Quick question, if religion is for people who are too weak minded to simply control themsleves, why have you not been able to stop doing wrong things? Why then, would an theist like yourself, continue to hurt people and commit let's just call them sins?
You've made a massive contradiction in logic that you aren't controlled by, at least at times, a desire to do self serving things that hurt the people around you and yet, for some reason, you continue to hurt people around you even when you intend and aspire not to.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:17 pm to AwgustaDawg
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You could do this the minute you leapt out of your mama's crotch? Of course the answer is no. If you were somehow restrained you could end your existence? You could will yourself to die instantly? The answer is no. You could will yourself to have never existed in the first place? The answer is no. Free will does not exist. Self control does.
I simply have no words for this.
Am I reading this right that in your opinion free will doesn't exist because a baby can't kill themselves immediately?
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:20 pm to LNCHBOX
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Did you put any thought into this nonsense before hitting submit?
Yes, loads of it. If you have read any philosophy or literature you have been exposed to the concept before...if a message board is the first time I fully understand your thinking its nonsense....the concept of free will not existing is about 7 seconds younger than the concept of free will...the first time a second person heard the concept of free will they thought "what a crock of shite"...
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