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re: Woman loses home after HOA auctions nearly $500K home for $30K

Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91873 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:08 pm to
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I don't blame him. I would too if I had the money. Repairs or not, I don't see how he gets those so low.


Yeah, he's working within the law, or so it appears, but his story is horseshite. He's not trying to get more space and just happened across the deal of a lifetime.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91873 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:09 pm to
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How would mortgage companies allow this to happen ? They're out of alot of money. Don't mortgage companies have goons and politicians on their payroll ?


Mortgage companies are completely against super liens. They either screwed up or they let this happen and have some agreement with the new buyer to get their money back.
Posted by statman34
Member since Feb 2011
3852 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:14 pm to
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Also, you're the scum of the earth for making me defend a HOA.




I have zero problem with the mortgage company foreclosing on this woman, especially if she sat there for 4 years and didn't pay. That is absurd. (And yes they should have taken care of their business to avoid this from happening) My problem is still specifically with the HOA having first pecking rights. No way should that be the way this works. (Obviously it was based on the fact that it happened but still) So if you defend a HOA that is on you....They still suck and are the scum of the earth.
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42407 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:16 pm to
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My problem is still specifically with the HOA having first pecking rights. No way should that be the way this works.


I am less concerned with that than the fact they auctioned a $450K-$500K house off for $30K just to collect the HOA fee. Wouldn't you get the house appraised and then set the minimum bid at or just below the low end of the valuation and then go from there?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:17 pm to
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I'm trying to estimate how much that could be without knowing the details, then figure out over 4 years, just how much money she "saved" by not paying a mortgage/HOA.


Using a calculator online if she put zero down (has PMI) for a 500k home at 5.00%, she'd have roughly a $3,200 a month mortgage.

HOA is probably anywhere from $200-$600.

I'd say at most she's got a $3,800 monthly payment.

I don't know when she bought this though. If it was after 2008 recession, she definitely had to put something down.

Anyways, that is $182,400 she hasn't paid over 48 months.

Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:19 pm to
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My problem is still specifically with the HOA having first pecking rights. No way should that be the way this works.


To be fair, they let all lenders know their plans. Mortgage company could've foreclosed before this.
Posted by southernelite
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2009
53568 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:20 pm to
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I am less concerned with that than the fact they auctioned a $450K-$500K house off for $30K just to collect the HOA fee. Wouldn't you get the house appraised and then set the minimum bid at or just below the low end of the valuation and then go from there?


The HoA would owe her any difference above what she owed.
Posted by statman34
Member since Feb 2011
3852 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:22 pm to
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To be fair, they let all lenders know their plans. Mortgage company could've foreclosed before this.


Yeah, and they should have. HOA was only looking out for their interests and as someone mentioned above probably having a relative buy the house for 30K
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:23 pm to
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I'd say at most she's got a $3,800 monthly payment.

Well shite, I wasn't that far off. Granted you said at most, and I said 44k was conservative, but close enough.

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Anyways, that is $182,400 she hasn't paid over 48 months.
Dang. So yea, let's focus on the near $200k possible savings before feeling sorry for this little old lady.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11842 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:23 pm to
She was essentially squatting. She wasn't paying bank or HOA. I have no sympathy for her. We are talking years of no payment.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:24 pm to
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Scum of the earth if they knew the situation.

I don't think losing her house is up for debate, we "should" all agree that after 4 years of non-payment or communication, you should lose your house.


It's just odd that the HOA got dibs on it over the lender. Even more odd that the HOA would only get $30k for it in an auction. Why not get what its worth?
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
17460 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:25 pm to
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The notice of delinquent assessment lien was recorded and mailed on October 1, 2014.


That means she was delinquent for YEARS before this date.

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the auction occurred on February 22, 2018.


I am guessing she lived FREE for at least 7 years. She paid no HOA, no mortgage, no taxes, and I am sure no repairs on the home.

The reason it sold so cheap is that the new owner is responsible for all back taxes correct? Also responsible for any repairs needed which he can't inspect before buying it. Lastly, just because she owes 450-500k on the home - does not mean it is worth that much. (Zillow is far from accurate). A person with poor financial sense like her that ignores her problems may have a second mortgage on the place as well.

That guy took a chance when he bought it, and now he is tied up in court trying to evict her.

I am glad I did not buy it.
Posted by reverendotis
the jawbone of an arse
Member since Nov 2007
4988 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:26 pm to
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The HOA provided the following statement:“It is regrettable that years of resident non-payment of assessments and non-communication eventually leaves an association board no other option but to exercise the collection process put into place to protect all residents”


HOA folks, doing something like this is a sure fire way to get yourself all murdered and chopped up into little pieces. Just a heads up.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23416 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:27 pm to
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leaves an association board no other option but to exercise the collection process put into place to protect all residents


Aren’t the ways HOAs protect residents is to make sure people keep up their properties? Do they think someone that buys a house for pennies in the dollar is somehow a better solution than the former owner?

$30k for a house worth $500k? How does that happen?

Weird story
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11842 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:28 pm to
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I am guessing she lived FREE for at least 7 years. She paid no HOA, no mortgage, no taxes, and I am sure no repairs on the home.


She paid her taxes or it would have been auctioned way sooner than 7 years. You think the HOA is bad try not paying your taxes.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:28 pm to
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I am guessing she lived FREE for at least 7 years. She paid no HOA, no mortgage, no taxes, and I am sure no repairs on the home.

If it is closer to 7 years, that would put the estimate on how much money she saved at $319,200.

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The reason it sold so cheap is that the new owner is responsible for all back taxes correct? Also responsible for any repairs needed which he can't inspect before buying it
That would make a bit more sense.
Posted by statman34
Member since Feb 2011
3852 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:29 pm to
What happens to the rest of the money owed the mortgage holders? If the buyer wins the auction and pays the back taxes the main and all other mortgages are null and void to the buyer? I don't get how that works.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:29 pm to
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HOA folks, doing something like this is a sure fire way to get yourself all murdered and chopped up into little pieces. Just a heads up.

Like what?
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11842 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:29 pm to
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$30k for a house worth $500k? How does that happen?


If she hadn't paid any bills do you really think it was worth fair market value? It probably hadn't had any repairs and maintenance in a decade or more.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14794 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 12:34 pm to
The HOA had to notify the mortgage company. If they did not respond with a bid sufficient to cover their lien then they messed up.
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