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re: Will the ability to grow fetuses outside of a woman's body end the argument over abortion?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:37 pm to tigerpimpbot
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:37 pm to tigerpimpbot
quote:I don't think that's a fair comparison at all.
It would be interesting for sure. The unborn fetus that cannot survive without the mother's body supporting it is like the vegetable on life support that cannot survive without life support. If one has the decision to pull someone off life support and that being passes away (Terry Schiavo comes to mind), the mother should ostensibly be able to pull the plug on the 'vegetable' that is inside her on life support.
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:41 pm to lsupride87
To me, the abortion debate comes down to when is a human formed.
Is a fertilized egg a human? Is a fertilized egg that has a heartbeat a human?
New AL tells you it happens in the first example. New GA law tells you it happens in the 2nd.
Is a fertilized egg a human? Is a fertilized egg that has a heartbeat a human?
New AL tells you it happens in the first example. New GA law tells you it happens in the 2nd.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:42 pm to tigerpimpbot
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It would be interesting for sure. The unborn fetus that cannot survive without the mother's body supporting it is like the vegetable on life support that cannot survive without life support. If one has the decision to pull someone off life support and that being passes away (Terry Schiavo comes to mind), the mother should ostensibly be able to pull the plug on the 'vegetable' that is inside her on life support.
Interesting analogy.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:42 pm to lsupride87
Go read Huxley's Brave New World
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:46 pm to BamaAlum02
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Interesting analogy.
interesting, but the analogy falls apart when view in the lens of potential future life
Big difference between pulling someone off of life support that will be eternally brain dead and pulling someone off of "life support" that has potential to grow and live and love.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:49 pm to BamaAlum02
quote:It's a pretty terrible analogy.
Interesting analogy.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:50 pm to MLCLyons
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It's pro choice not pro abortion. I don't think I would choose that option if I were in the situation unless the mother's life were in danger or there was a severe genetic problem with the fetus. However, I fully support each person being able to make that choice for themselves.
There's a reason I said pro abortion and not pro choice.
I'm talking about people who get off on calling it a fetus or a clump of cells, not people like you.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:55 pm to TH03
to a staunch pro choice person, i brought up the beauty of State rights and the ability to hop in a car or on a bus and access an abortion
that went over like a turd in a punch bowl. compromise was nowhere in the realm of discussion.
that went over like a turd in a punch bowl. compromise was nowhere in the realm of discussion.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 5:33 pm to shel311
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I don't think that's a fair comparison at all.
When the fetus is not viable outside the mother's body at the instant that she chooses to abort, what's unfair about the comparison?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 5:45 pm to MLCLyons
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It's also why RvW is in trouble
It's also why Congress should've codified it into law instead of just relying on a legal decision to be the sole determinant of something this massive.
Exactly this. Our congress should address this issue instead of punting to the Supreme Court. The Courts are not suppose to make law, only interpret it.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:09 pm to mdomingue
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Does it? Honest question, I am uncertain. I do know that in his majority opinion, Justice Harry Blackmun notes, “If this suggestion of personhood is established, [Roe’s] case, of course, collapses, for the fetus’ right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the [14th] Amendment.”
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The Supreme Court case that held that the Constitution protected a woman’s right to an abortion prior to the viability of the fetus.
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The Court divided the pregnancy period into three trimesters. During the first trimester, the decision to terminate the pregnancy was solely at the discretion of the woman. After the first trimester, the state could “regulate procedure.” During the second trimester, the state could regulate (but not outlaw) abortions in the interests of the mother’s health. After the second trimester, the fetus became viable, and the state could regulate or outlaw abortions in the interest of the potential life except when necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother.
And not just Roe v. Wade:
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Almost 30 years later, the Supreme Court revisited the issue of abortion in Casey v. Planned Parenthood (1992). The Casey court kept three finding made in Roe:
Women have the right to abort pre-viability without undue interference from the state
The state may restrict abortion post-viability
The state has a legitimate interest in protecting woman’s health and life of the fetus
Cornell Law
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 5/23/19 at 12:15 am to lsupride87
Yeah, I think it’s safe to say if women don’t have to get pregnant anymore than the abortion debate kind of dies
Posted on 5/23/19 at 6:26 am to KosmoCramer
Thank you, I didn't feel like going through the opinion. I was aware of the Blackburn statement regarding personhood and could easily find that, but wasn't sure how hard/easy it would be to find the specifics regarding viability.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 6:36 am to arcalades
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libs are the children of Satan. Satan is all about killing and destroying. Satan will continue killing and using libs to do it.
Wouldn’t Satan prefer them be born so he could tempt them into sin? Why settle for just one soul?
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:15 am to TheIndulger
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Yeah, I think it’s safe to say if women don’t have to get pregnant anymore than the abortion debate kind of dies
How so?
There would still be unwanted pregnancies since people would still engage in unprotected sex.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:48 am to Joshjrn
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Wouldn’t Satan prefer them be born so he could tempt them into sin? Why settle for just one soul?
bird in the hand > two in the bush
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:52 am to lsupride87
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Will the ability to grow fetuses outside of a woman's body end the argument over abortion?
No, you see, liberals do not understand how pregnancy works. They've devolved into believing humans just appear via a stork, and not through reproduction.
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