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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:18 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:18 pm to Chad504boy
Danny Monteverde ?@DCMonteverde 10s11 seconds ago
After Hayes fired the first two shots, he then fired again after taking "a couple" of steps. "This was so fast," Cacioppo says.
After Hayes fired the first two shots, he then fired again after taking "a couple" of steps. "This was so fast," Cacioppo says.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:20 pm to Chad504boy
this matches up with what PT said so far.
I wonder why prosecution did not ask him if hayes stood over smith dead body.
I wonder why prosecution did not ask him if hayes stood over smith dead body.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:22 pm to diat150
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this matches up with what PT said so far.
yeah, about hayes murdering will. I agree.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:26 pm to Chad504boy
Fuller going for the Defense Counsel John Gibbons Cross Examination 
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 2m2 minutes ago
... he has reading glasses that he can see fine without.
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 3m3 minutes ago
John Fuller has Cacioppo repeat he had fallen asleep. Asked if he had drinks, Cacioppo said no. Asked if he had glasses, witness says ...
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Well! You see....you were 50 feet away. You made a positive eyewitness identification. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, yet, you were not wearing your necessary prescription eye glasses.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:26 pm to busbeepbeep
Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 31s31 seconds ago
Cacioppo estimates about 45 seconds passed from first hearing the argument to the gunshots, under cross by John Fuller.
Cacioppo estimates about 45 seconds passed from first hearing the argument to the gunshots, under cross by John Fuller.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:26 pm to Chad504boy
quote:3/4 of a minute after what? After the argument started?
It was "3/4 of a minute" before shots were fired, Cacioppo says.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:27 pm to Chad504boy
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Danny Monteverde ?@DCMonteverde 10s11 seconds ago
After Hayes fired the first two shots, he then fired again after taking "a couple" of steps. "This was so fast," Cacioppo says.
That's pretty damning for Hayes but there will be multiple witnesses.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:27 pm to ForeverLSU02
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3/4 of a minute after what? After the arument started?
i think
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:28 pm to ForeverLSU02
Sounds like from when he started to hear the argument until shots were fired.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:28 pm to Fun Bunch
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That's pretty damning for Hayes but there will be multiple witnesses.
what? that he shot multiple times?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:30 pm to diat150
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Cacioppo tells Fuller he saw no one take a swing at all. Could be to show he didn't see everything, as PT says he saw Richard Hernandez throw a punch, but again, that's a guess from here, as we are far from his closing argument on behalf of Cardell Hayes.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:31 pm to ForeverLSU02
I wonder when we get to hear from Mr. Hayes
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:32 pm to ForeverLSU02
he did say that he saw them hand checking. not sure if he meant waving there hands in each others face or like a struggle type hand checking.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:32 pm to ForeverLSU02
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3/4 of a minute after what? After the argument started?
This witness was asleep on his sofa and woke up to a loud argument. Not sure at what point during the events he woke up
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Donald Chick Foret ?@chickforet 27m27 minutes ago
Next witness: lay witness who lived in house on Sophie Wright. He fell asleep on sofa. Woke up when he heard loud argument.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:32 pm to diat150
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what? that he shot multiple times?
That he fired two shots, took a few steps and then fired more.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:34 pm to Fun Bunch
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That he fired two shots, took a few steps and then fired more.
I always hear people say that but everyone, even will smith and his wife since they went to ccl, know that if you should someone you shoot until you neutralize the threat. perhaps smith was still moving.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:36 pm to diat150
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know that if you should someone you shoot until you neutralize the threat.
"reasonable force necessary"
You think shooting someone twice, then taking a few steps, and then shooting them 5 more times in the back is the reasonable force necessary to end "the threat" (if there even was one) ?
I'm telling you that piece of testimony is EXTREMELY hurtful to Hayes.
However, there will be many more witnesses. Fuller wants as many stories as possible, obviously.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:37 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:If I honestly think someone is going to shoot me and try to kill me, I am unloading my entire weapon and pulling the trigger about 10 more times after it is empty as I am shitting my pants.
"reasonable force necessary"
You think shooting someone twice, then taking a few steps, and then shooting them 5 more times in the back is the reasonable force necessary to end "the threat" (if there even was one) ?
I'm telling you that piece of testimony is EXTREMELY hurtful to Hayes.
However, there will be many more witnesses. Fuller wants as many stories as possible, obviously.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:39 pm to Fun Bunch
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"reasonable force necessary"
You think shooting someone twice, then taking a few steps, and then shooting them 5 more times in the back is the reasonable force necessary to end "the threat" (if there even was one) ?
I'm telling you that piece of testimony is EXTREMELY hurtful to Hayes.
However, there will be many more witnesses. Fuller wants as many stories as possible, obviously.
whatever you say. Im just telling you what is taught in CCL classes, training classes, and what the police do. If I was on the jury the fact that hayes unloaded his clip wouldnt change my opinion.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:41 pm to diat150
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whatever you say. Im just telling you what is taught in CCL classes, training classes, and what the police do. If I was on the jury the fact that hayes unloaded his clip wouldnt change my opinion.
Everyone knows this.
I'm just saying he fired two shots first. And then paused, he took steps towards him and unloaded the rest of his gun into him in the back.
That's not going to work out for him.
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