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re: Why is this virus being politicized?

Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:54 am to
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:54 am to
Obama did a terrible job managing H1N1 and was still held in a very positive light by 95% of the media.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10128 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:55 am to
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WHY?


CDC/HHS have completely dropped the ball on testing. We have shite for plans. Our own director of NIAID is saying our system is failing.

Who exactly do you think shuld be blamed?

CDC's Struggles

CDC only tests 77

Pence: US does not have enough tests

Private Labs looking for direction from HHS

Trump: "The Testing Has Been Amazing"
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:55 am to


K my dude. I'm doing just fine but thanks for your concern.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71840 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:56 am to
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I referenced the death rate which you quoted, as .02%.

I extrapolated the covid death rate based on other countries who have done extensive testing (like South Korea), which is around .8%, with Trumps team thinking it will be around 1% here.


During the first 12 months of the H1N1 pandemic, an estimated .001 to .007 of the world'd population died of the virus or complications related. At this point, coronavirus deaths sit at about .00000065% of the world's population.

My point is their are peaks to these things, and we seem to be in the midst of that now. There is very little chance that the rate of death remains constant or rises. More testing will yield a faster rate of confirmed cases than confirmed deaths, as it always does.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:58 am to
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I think his point is that before Trump, we were completely ready to handle an outbreak of a brand new infection, and if not for this president, we would be rolling in the test kits and streamlined in their delivery. Because the issue being described by Dr. Fauci certainly didn't exist 5-10-30 years ago. Trump did this all by himself.


We had a month long head start. South Korea had less time and has been infinitely more prepared from a testing perspective. And they are doing great.

Our government has failed us in this situation. Let politics go for one second and accept the fact that we have done a terrible job testing and need to get our arse in gear.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
71840 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:00 pm to
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The retard is strong with this one.


I can't tell if you are missing a pretty obvious tone in my post, or you agree with it completely and unironically.
Posted by Ice Cold
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Member since Jun 2004
18953 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:32 pm to
This is what gross incompetence looks like:
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He got the details wrong. He didn't coordinate with industries and allies. He tanked the markets. His contingencies are riddled with holes. He didn't address community spread. He didn't have a buy-in from Congress. We're worse off today for Trump's speech.
And FWIW the writer of those words is no liberal (@NoahCRothman). No “TDS” there. Just someone able to see the obvious.

LINK

This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 12:56 pm
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:35 pm to
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"Never let a crisis go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel, former democrat mayor of Chicago


He ripped that off from someone else
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42685 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:38 pm to
Your link is to Commentary Magazine. It's a neoconservative publication. Those folks hate Trump as much as progressives do because he's a foreign policy realist and is naturally distrustful of forever war, which is the neocon gospel.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86492 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:42 pm to
Finally. Thank you. Now I will read and consider.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71840 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:44 pm to
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We had a month long head start. South Korea had less time


I don't doubt it appears that way, but we have no way of knowing when SK had knowledge compared to the US. Either way, it makes perfect sense that urgency would differ by region. If Mexico was the origin of this, do you doubt we'd have proceeded more urgently than SK?

quote:

Our government has failed us in this situation.


Maybe. Testing needs to increase, that's obvious. Testing alone doesn't prevent or cure infection, and the admin has been doing things on that side since that racist travel ban over a month ago.
Posted by Ice Cold
Over Macho Grande
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:53 pm to
This is what gross incompetence looks like:
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On Friday March 6th, @realDonaldTrump said, "Anybody that needs a test gets a test."That is 100% FALSE. Full stop. He was wrong then and it's wrong today too. Many American citizens want a #coronavirus test right now but can't get access to one. This is a MAJOR FAILURE. @POTUS
And FWIW the writer of those words is no liberal (@DavidBrodyCBN). No TDS there. Just someone able to see the obvious.

LINK
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86492 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:00 pm to
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And FWIW the writer of those words is no liberal. No “TDS” there. Just someone able to see the obvious.


Nothing says American Conservative quite like this:

MSNBC/NBC News contributor. Author "Unjust: Social Justice and the Unmaking of America


Wrong again. Must be your thing. Noah Rothman is a budding Establishment writer and has a biting tongue, but he is also angling political cocktail party circuit with all the other Neoconservative critics of the President. Trump has DECIMATED the Neoconservatives. They would far rather elect Bernie Sander even, that reelect Donald Trump. At least their club would be out of the wildnerness. In a decade he'll be managing the Chelsea Clinton campaign. Posting his MSNBC whine is like putting your finger in the water and then taking it out. Just saying.

Also , just as some friendly advice for the future, and I want you to think about this-your evidence works better when it SUPPORTS your argument.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71840 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:04 pm to
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Getting a coronavirus vaccine into Phase 1 of testing has occurred the fastest “that anyone has ever done literally in the history of vaccinology.” - Dr. Anthony Fauci, NIH



Is this what gross incompetence looks like?
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:09 pm to
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Because from the day this orange used car salesman con man took office, many of us knew he was not up to the job. He’s done nothing to disprove that fact. Now we’re faced with an actual global crisis and his incompetence is on full display which will, and has, led to people dying.

He doesn’t read. He has no intellectual curiosity. He thinks he knows everything. He’s consolidated power by surrounding himself with sycophants whose only real talent is kissing his arse instead of surrounding himself with experts and having an open mind. “I know more than the Generals”. “I’m a very stable genius”.

It’s not political ideology driving the Trump bashing...it’s recognition of incompetence.


He has done fine up until this point.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:11 pm to
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Is this what gross incompetence looks like?


While that is great, he also said yesterday we are at least a year away from having a vaccine for it, so that doesn't really do much for the here and now. Great news for the future, and hats off to those developing it though.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86492 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:12 pm to
Ok your first "proof" that Orange Man bad is a VOX opinion piece that immediately explains:

It’s unclear if there’s a specific policy or decision to blame for the current situation. It arose from a combination of manufacturing problems, chronic underfunding, and an apparent lack of foresight.

Doesn't matter. Orange Man Bad. Orange Man Not Stop Virus.

The second one just estates what we've all agreed. There should be more testing. Ok the third oe is the same. Read 4th still the same. And the 5th adds nothing new Just establishing what we already know. There aren't enough tests. The most plausible reason tends to be pointed to as FDA bureaucracy. Is this the point where Democrats pretend that FDA Bureaucracy isn't overwhelmingly their creation. Donald Trump created FDA Bureaucracy. Got it. So in unison:

Orange Man Bad. Orange Man Not Stop Virus.


Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
33424 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:13 pm to
Hell, the media is hoping Trump gets the corona
Posted by Ice Cold
Over Macho Grande
Member since Jun 2004
18953 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:14 pm to
Ah, yes, the No True Scotsman fallacy. Thanks for the excellent example. Nice to know that a conservative who appears on MSNBC by definition is not a conservative. And that anyone who doesn’t support a malignant, mendacious, corrupt game show host as president is a budding leftist.
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Also , just as some friendly advice for the future, and I want you to think about this-your evidence works better when it SUPPORTS your argument.
QED
Posted by Lago Gato
Member since Dec 2018
2040 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:20 pm to
The media is as much the blame as anyone. They’ve sensationalized the virus instead of calming everyone. Now do we take there word when the crisis is over . BS
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