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re: Why is it so difficult to discuss topics that challenge our beliefs
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:27 am to Masterag
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:27 am to Masterag
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Usually it's a liberal that wants to challenge my beliefs and their beliefs aren't just different but completely insane. I'm not going to entertain that.
Example?
Kain't you reed dumdum? He ain't goona entertain THAT
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:29 am to Masterag
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Why is it so difficult to discuss topics that challenge our beliefs
It's the Backfire Effect. LINK
Our brains are hardwired to take threats or challenges to our core beliefs the same as threats to our bodies. Our core beliefs are part of our identity. Who we are as a person.
That is why we fight so hard against evidence or challenges to those beliefs.
And evidence has shown that people do not change their core beliefs, even when faced with hard evidence against them, they double down and refuse the evidence and only strengthen their already held belief.
It's human nature.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 7:32 am
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:31 am to Masterag
They break your model for how you see the world.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:32 am to Masterag
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Seems like any conversation that challenges us to be genuinely introspective to the degree that it puts our beliefs to the test is met with hostility. Why do we close our minds to certain topics?
I noticed the same thing. Especially on the political board.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:33 am to celltech1981
Interesting thread.. arrogance is a consistent feature in people who can’t form logical vs emotional arguments..3 posters in this thread have smugness and name calling with nearly each post..OP asking about talking to a family in a Southern city about religion reeks of arrogance and myopic thought..always best to look in the mirror before wondering what’s wrong with other people
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:34 am to TH03
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Isn’t this usually a problem for less intelligent people?
Not really. I know some highly intelligent, close minded people.
dumb person who thinks they can’t be wrong is scary.
Give me a dummy who thinks they can’t be wrong any day of the week. It’s the highly intelligent ones who suffer from the same that make the world a truly scary place, eg hitler, Franco, Stalin
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:34 am to tigersbh
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Usually it's a liberal that wants to challenge my beliefs and their beliefs aren't just different but completely insane. I'm not going to entertain that.
Evidence for my dumb people theory.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:39 am to Masterag
This really has nothing to do with intelligence.
Intelligence can have a factor in our core beliefs and why we have those beliefs, but how we react towards challenges to those beliefs isn't really an indicator of intelligence.
We all will fall victim to our own nature. Someone just needs to challenge the right belief.
Intelligence can have a factor in our core beliefs and why we have those beliefs, but how we react towards challenges to those beliefs isn't really an indicator of intelligence.
We all will fall victim to our own nature. Someone just needs to challenge the right belief.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:39 am to Masterag
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Whether it be religion, politics, science, race, etc.
Seems like any conversation that challenges us to be genuinely introspective to the degree that it puts our beliefs to the test is met with hostility. Why do we close our minds to certain topics?
Mostly because people usually try to convince rather than discuss.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:40 am to celltech1981
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i think the bible has some good messages but i don't believe that it was divinely inspired.
2 things:
First I do believe it's not only divinely inspired but the actual words from God.
Second and I've said this several times, even if people don't believe what I do concerning the Bible, if everyone lived according to the way Jesus said, this world would be pretty cool.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:44 am to shamrock
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OP asking about talking to a family in a Southern city about religion reeks of arrogance and myopic thought.
How does that reek of arrogance? jw
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:46 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Mostly because people usually try to convince rather than discuss.
yup, the most interesting discussions are when the parties involved are trying to show the strength in their own beliefs instead of attacking other beliefs.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:52 am to Masterag
When your kids run off to join a cult that's a different story. There's no space ship behind the Hale-Bopp comet.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:53 am to celltech1981
The fact that you would ask that question is revealing? It’s a grossly absurd stereotype
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:57 am to celltech1981
it’s really hard to believe. I’m not sure which is worse, the scoreboard/rant after a poor football loss, or the poli board after a morning of trump tweets.
And this is coming from a pretty well off conservative white guy.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 8:01 am to Salmon
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It's the Backfire Effect. LINK
Our brains are hardwired to take threats or challenges to our core beliefs the same as threats to our bodies. Our core beliefs are part of our identity. Who we are as a person.
It's this.
Plus, I think most people are incredibly lazy intellectually. The vast majority of people are going to believe whatever is accepted by their peers and put little, if any, real thought into it. It's a lot easier to just believe "I didn't come from no monkey" than to put the effort into actually understanding how evolution works, for example.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 8:04 am to Masterag
It’s not difficult. The problem is that people take a self righteous approach and are easily offended. That is not specific to any single group. You can’t debate politics or religion without someone getting upset.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 8:06 am to Masterag
Because people are snowflakes there's days. And that goes for everyone... the people being called snowflakes are snowflakes..the people calling then snowflakes are snowflakes.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 8:07 am to DeafJam73
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It’s not difficult.
I'd argue that it is incredibly difficult to ask someone to completely re-wire their brain.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 8:11 am to celltech1981
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good lord. if you don't believe it just say "trump tweets too much" and see how many times you get called a cuck or libtard
Just because you just say, "Trump Tweets Too much" doesn't mean you aren't a cuck and/or libtard.
Eta: that was a joke. We strive for efficiency in our thinking. It's a human (without exclusion) survival mechanism. If we have to go back and rework shite it puts us in temporary (at least) danger or perceived danger.
Agreeing and reaffirming works within the parasympathetic nervous system, while challenging one's beliefs especially with the confrontation of debate/argument triggers a flight or fight response and we operate with lizard brains.
I very much just made up all of that shite, btw.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 8:19 am
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