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Why are we still using the phillips head screw for anything in 2018?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:05 am
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:05 am
Torx screws do everything better and are now available. The design of the phillips screw inherently causes the screwdriver to cam out of the slots if you try to tighten and damages the screw making the situation even worse.
Is this big screwdriver industry just trying to sell more tools?
Is this big screwdriver industry just trying to sell more tools?
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 11:08 am
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Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:06 am to weagle99
The Big Phil lobby is strong.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:08 am to weagle99
Let’s solve the residual flat-head screw problem from the 30s first. How is this still a thing?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:09 am to weagle99
Torx is superior. I always replace phillips with torx every chance I can.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:09 am to weagle99
I don’t mind the Phillips head, flat head baffles me. Everything should be star head
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:09 am to weagle99
There's no money in it for Big Torque to start rocking the boat.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:10 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Probably tradition and aesthetics for the flats. They have their niche (furniture, guns, etc)
Phillips have no tradition, shitty aesthetics, and perform poorly.
Phillips have no tradition, shitty aesthetics, and perform poorly.
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 11:11 am
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:11 am to weagle99
Flats definitely have better aesthetics. I get that one.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:12 am to TigerstuckinMS
6 torx execs have “committed suicide” in the last year.
No one has ever met Phillip, but he’s connected.
No one has ever met Phillip, but he’s connected.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:13 am to weagle99
Because you can never find one and it pisses you off.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:22 am to ctiger69
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I always replace phillips with torx every chance I can.
Amen.
My dad looks at me crazy when I help him put shite together and I replace every Philip's with a torx.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:23 am to weagle99
Well, let’s see. First, if you make even a feeble attempt to use the correct Phillips screwdriver (3 sizes cover about 95% of the screws you’ll encounter) and you know how to properly use a screwdriver, the problems you cite pretty much do not exist.
Second, torx screws are nowhere near as available as Phillips, and probably never will be, much like Allen head screws.
Third, torx, like Allen head screws are sized. Unless you have that size torx bit or screwdriver, you are done until you have it. So instead of being able to do almost any job with 2 or 3 screwdrivers, you must have 6 or 8 bits or screwdrivers at all times without fail, or you are at a standstill.
Market forces indicate whether a tool is an actual improvement or not. If torx was better, it would be dominant by now. It isn’t, and probably never will be.
Second, torx screws are nowhere near as available as Phillips, and probably never will be, much like Allen head screws.
Third, torx, like Allen head screws are sized. Unless you have that size torx bit or screwdriver, you are done until you have it. So instead of being able to do almost any job with 2 or 3 screwdrivers, you must have 6 or 8 bits or screwdrivers at all times without fail, or you are at a standstill.
Market forces indicate whether a tool is an actual improvement or not. If torx was better, it would be dominant by now. It isn’t, and probably never will be.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:24 am to Tyga Woods
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I don’t mind the Phillips head, flat head baffles me. Everything should be star head
I just like getting HEAD.... She can use whatever she wants.........
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:39 am to weagle99
What’s wrong with Philip heads? My Jeep is covered in torx heads and I can’t stand it.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:40 am to weagle99
probably because everyone has a phillips handy.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:43 am to weagle99
Problem with torx is that you need about 10 different size tools to handle the spectrum of fasteners, whereas with Phillips you only need a #1 or the trusty #2.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:43 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Let’s solve the residual flat-head screw problem from the 30s first
This is the worst damn thing ever. They are completely useless
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:43 am to weagle99
I use Robertson head screws for customer projects. Just because.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:47 am to finchmeister08
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What’s wrong with Philip heads? My Jeep is covered in torx heads and I can’t stand it.
If those screws were phillips and you have any corrosion in the threads your screwdriver will probably cam / twist out when you try to remove the screw, damaging the slots, and causing the problem to be even worse when you try again to remove the screw. Just an example
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:48 am to weagle99
Maybe you should go to Lowe's classes and learn how to use a screwdriver.
FWIW, companies like Wera make screwdriver heads that are meant to grip better when extracting
FWIW, companies like Wera make screwdriver heads that are meant to grip better when extracting
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