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Why are there still so many unreliable car brands?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 7:48 am
Posted on 11/10/17 at 7:48 am
It makes absolutely no sense, especially with models that have been around awhile (Grand Cherokee). With all the technology and automation we have now there is no excuse to make vehicles that have so many issues.
I can understand some quirks in a brand new model or new engine. Even then though, the amount of time and testing they put the vehicles through they have to know they have a crap product.
It's hilarious to me that so many luxury brands have a reputation for such poor reliability.
I've been lucky in the few vehicles I've owned to not have any major issues, but for what vehicles cost worrying about whether your new car or truck is going to start falling apart in a year is nuts.
I can understand some quirks in a brand new model or new engine. Even then though, the amount of time and testing they put the vehicles through they have to know they have a crap product.
It's hilarious to me that so many luxury brands have a reputation for such poor reliability.
I've been lucky in the few vehicles I've owned to not have any major issues, but for what vehicles cost worrying about whether your new car or truck is going to start falling apart in a year is nuts.
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Posted on 11/10/17 at 7:50 am to GEAUXT
Fleecing of America
Posted on 11/10/17 at 7:51 am to GEAUXT
I agree.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 7:54 am to GEAUXT
Because people are lazy.
Workers are lazy.
CEO's are lazy.
Everybody looks out for number 1.
You can't build something great at work when all you care about are your issues away from work.
Workers are lazy.
CEO's are lazy.
Everybody looks out for number 1.
You can't build something great at work when all you care about are your issues away from work.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 7:58 am to GEAUXT
Posted on 11/10/17 at 7:59 am to GEAUXT
Because idiots still buy vehicles based on some gadget on the dash instead of what under the hood.
My uncle recently bought a yukon suv because it had a james bond-like compartment that he stuck his handgun in. Granted I think a yukon is a decent rig but it wasn't what he was shopping for and doesn't suite his needs well at all. But it had that hidden compartment....
My uncle recently bought a yukon suv because it had a james bond-like compartment that he stuck his handgun in. Granted I think a yukon is a decent rig but it wasn't what he was shopping for and doesn't suite his needs well at all. But it had that hidden compartment....
Posted on 11/10/17 at 7:59 am to GEAUXT
Standards and expectations have gone up at a faster rate than manufacture defects. When you bought a car 35+ years ago, you almost expected a problem in the first year or so.
getting to 100k was a feat then, now that is nothing
getting to 100k was a feat then, now that is nothing
Posted on 11/10/17 at 7:59 am to GEAUXT
Travel back to the shitty 70’s and 80’s and then come back and compare.
In manufacturing there are 3 things:
Cost
Quality
Delivery
You can only pick 2.
In manufacturing there are 3 things:
Cost
Quality
Delivery
You can only pick 2.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:00 am to GEAUXT
because Lee Iacocca
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:00 am to GEAUXT
More technology means more things can break.
Also, your premise is wrong. Cars are way more reliable than they were in the past.
Also, your premise is wrong. Cars are way more reliable than they were in the past.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:03 am to weagle99
No doubt they're better than they used to be, especially with engines.
I understand that, but it is funny how a company like Toyota can figure this equation out, while a company like Chrysler seems lost in the dark.
quote:
In manufacturing there are 3 things:
Cost
Quality
Delivery
I understand that, but it is funny how a company like Toyota can figure this equation out, while a company like Chrysler seems lost in the dark.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:05 am to PrimeTime Money
Many of the "issues" in today's modern car are related to the drive for higher fuel efficiency.
8 speed CVT's
turbo'd V6 trucks
Polution control sensors
Cylinder shutoff at idle
But others are related to the market shifting towards touch screens and the requisite electronics that go into having electronically controlled everythings...
8 speed CVT's
turbo'd V6 trucks
Polution control sensors
Cylinder shutoff at idle
But others are related to the market shifting towards touch screens and the requisite electronics that go into having electronically controlled everythings...
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:08 am to GEAUXT
quote:
It makes absolutely no sense, especially with models that have been around awhile (Grand Cherokee). With all the technology and automation we have now there is no excuse to make vehicles that have so many issues.
Jeep GCs come with a 5yr/100k mile powertrain warranty, longer than 4runners, for example.
quote:
It's hilarious to me that so many luxury brands have a reputation for such poor reliability.
It's hard to get an iPhone to last 3 years without crapping out, yet you expect an iPhone with a combustion engine to last 10? The technology in cars is the main reason they fail. Nearly any automaker can build an engine that runs damn near forever.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:08 am to GEAUXT
It hurts me to say this but, don’t buy American. The big three make inferior products to the quality import brands. Chrysler being by far the worst of the big three.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:10 am to GEAUXT
quote:
I understand that, but it is funny how a company like Toyota can figure this equation out, while a company like Chrysler seems lost in the dark
In those two examples specifically, and going back to the 4runner/Grand Cherokee comparison, the Jeep has significantly more technology standard and available than the 4runner. The engine quality is very comparable, but it's the tech, and the potential issues it has, that separates the two.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:11 am to GEAUXT
quote:
I understand that, but it is funny how a company like Toyota can figure this equation out, while a company like Chrysler seems lost in the dark.
IMO Toyota reliability is overrated unless you are getting a truck/SUV
FWIW I have owned 2 toyotas in my life.
04 Sequioia.... replaced fuel pump at 100k
07 Camry 4cyl.... POS car.... piston slap motor noises, Fuel Pump, AC compressor, Both front wheel bearings, interior fell apart. I barely got 140K miles out of it
I owned a 00 Accord V6, put 200K miles on it and had 0 issues over nearly 10 years of ownership.
I have owned 5 Chrysler products since 1996 and never had trouble with them either. But I can only recommend RAM at this time
This post was edited on 11/10/17 at 8:12 am
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:12 am to slackster
quote:
Jeep GCs come with a 5yr/100k mile powertrain warranty,
warranty does not = reliable
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:13 am to GEAUXT
Overall cars and trucks are better than ever.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:15 am to LSUwag
quote:
It hurts me to say this but, don’t buy American. The big three make inferior products to the quality import brands. Chrysler being by far the worst of the big three.
It all depends. In 2017 JD Power sedan reliability ratings, 6 vehicles received 5 stars for reliability. 4 were Toyota/Lexus, 1 was a Buick, and the other was a Hyundai. 7 SUVs received 5 star reliability ratings, but only 2 were imports.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:15 am to GEAUXT
The government recently propped up much of the US car industry so they wouldn't fail. When failure is off the table, there is little pressure to make changes to compete.
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