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re: Why are there still so many unreliable car brands?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:46 am to GEAUXT
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:46 am to GEAUXT
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Less that 5 years ago Toyota had a major recall be use thier cars killed several people. Try again
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understand that, but it is funny how a company like Toyota can figure this equation ou
Less that 5 years ago Toyota had a major recall be use thier cars killed several people. Try again
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Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:50 am to MorbidTheClown
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it's not a claim. just saying that a warranty doesn't mean the vehicle is reliable.
Actually the warranty means exactly that. The better a product is the easier it is to offer a longer warranty on it.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:53 am to GEAUXT
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I can understand some quirks in a brand new model or new engine.
Don't ever buy first generation of a new model.
Car buying 101.
I had 3 jeeps and all 3 had problems. I had the nicest model of Grand Cherokee for one of those and it had so many issues. Granted, this was before they had a new CEO that apparently fixed a lot of it.
But I've had a 4Runner and a Subaru Outback since then, and HOLY shite are they better cars. I put 150,000 hard miles on that 4Runner and it never had a single issue.
The 2016 Outback fully loaded is as nice as a luxury vehicle on the inside and is incredible to drive. I love it.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:55 am to bhtigerfan
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And unfortunately the quality and reliability of Accords has decreased since then. They've have recalls relating to the engine and transmission in the recent past.
agreed.... I loved that Accord but when i was shopping for the replacement it was clear a corner had been turned for the worse in the Accord's quality
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:56 am to SEClint
people look back on old cars and think they had little problems.
Fact is they had much shorter lifespans in the past than now.
It used to be a big deal for a car to go over 100,000, now 200k should be expected.
Cars had a lot more adjusting that needed to be done, points, carbs, timing all needed adjusting every so many thousand miles.
Transmissions or engines were overhauled before a car was 10 commonly.
A lot of old cars survive, but generally with a lot of work over the years.
There are cars and trucks made now that barely need work. Most cars for instance don't require a tune up until 100,000 miles (plugs and wires).
The major issues have lately been outsourcing. Chrysler's horrible engines were always Mitsubishi sourced. The in house 4.0, 5.2, 5.9, 4.7 were stout engines.
Fact is they had much shorter lifespans in the past than now.
It used to be a big deal for a car to go over 100,000, now 200k should be expected.
Cars had a lot more adjusting that needed to be done, points, carbs, timing all needed adjusting every so many thousand miles.
Transmissions or engines were overhauled before a car was 10 commonly.
A lot of old cars survive, but generally with a lot of work over the years.
There are cars and trucks made now that barely need work. Most cars for instance don't require a tune up until 100,000 miles (plugs and wires).
The major issues have lately been outsourcing. Chrysler's horrible engines were always Mitsubishi sourced. The in house 4.0, 5.2, 5.9, 4.7 were stout engines.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 8:57 am to Tigeralum2008
I have driven accords for over a decade and never had one single major issue. Probably the most significant repair was because of normal wear and tear on the brakes.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:08 am to The Pirate King
Not all the blame needs to be on the vehicle. I drive 17 miles between work and home. Most of that stretch is horrible country roads. How my struts have not fallen off yet is amazing. Others may drive mainly in cities with nice smooth streets.
My car will certainly require suspension work before 100,000 miles. I have driven Nissan Altimas since 1985 and have had very few problems under 100,000 miles but Nissan has poor reliability ratings which has not been my experience.
My car will certainly require suspension work before 100,000 miles. I have driven Nissan Altimas since 1985 and have had very few problems under 100,000 miles but Nissan has poor reliability ratings which has not been my experience.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:13 am to Napoleon
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It used to be a big deal for a car to go over 100,000, now 200k should be expected.
I drove an '89 Suburban that only had a 5 digit odometer! Think about how insane that is. GMC didn't expect a damn Suburban to cross 100k with any regularity.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:16 am to GEAUXT
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It's hilarious to me that so many luxury brands have a reputation for such poor reliability.
Are you calling Jeep a luxury brand?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:19 am to Napoleon
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people look back on old cars and think they had little problems.
I think people like those, because cars were sorta intended for the owner to maintain maintenance. Fix it yourself.
And some people remember that, and enjoyed the not having to go to a specific dealership mechanic. Plus the nostalgia and appreciation of the differences in design with less regulations.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:20 am to GaryMyMan
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I drove an '89 Suburban that only had a 5 digit odometer! Think about how insane that is. GMC didn't expect a damn Suburban to cross 100k with any regularity.
Our '86 model's odometer definitely flipped at least 3 times. Through all of the crap the American car companies produced in the 1980s, that Chevy Suburban actually restored their faith in American cars.
I would love to get my hands on that body style today. I love those things.
This post was edited on 11/10/17 at 9:25 am
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:22 am to CaptainBrannigan
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Less that 5 years ago Toyota had a major recall be use thier cars killed several people. Try again
The throttle cables got stuck and some people were to stupid to understand how brakes work.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:26 am to GEAUXT
All Toyota has done lately is to figure out how to manipulate data. They make vehicles with less power and less options, then brand that as more reliable.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:27 am to yellowfin
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I'd take a grand Cherokee over a 4 runner every day
It depends on your preference. From a comfort, luxury, and technology standpoint, the Grand Cherokee blows away the 4Runner. That's not debatable.
However, those things come with a cost from a reliability standpoint. The 4Runner is like a Speed Queen washing machine - no frills and an engine that will last longer than you. The GC is like a higher end Samsung - fancy as shite, but way more things that can break.
There is something to be said for both routes.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:29 am to GaryMyMan
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I drove an '89 Suburban that only had a 5 digit odometer! Think about how insane that is. GMC didn't expect a damn Suburban to cross 100k with any regularity.
Did you think the odometer just stopped at 100k miles...
I think all car brands just used 5 digit odometers back then...
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:30 am to jrodLSUke
Yep, bunch of know nothing silly talk in here.
Even the cheapest rental quality car today can go 100K miles before even needing a tune up. Even the most expensive luxury car in the 80s or 90s couldn't do that.
Even the cheapest rental quality car today can go 100K miles before even needing a tune up. Even the most expensive luxury car in the 80s or 90s couldn't do that.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:30 am to SEClint
I get that, a SAE socket set, pliers and screwdrivers and I was able to fix any issue my 1967 Mustang had. My current 60 Cadillac gives me fits. Caddy didn't want people working on their own cars I don't think.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:34 am to Hangover Haven
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Did you think the odometer just stopped at 100k miles...
I don't even know how to start here... I didn't imply that at all. But it rolls over with no indication of how many times it rolled over, so a few years later what's to stop someone from selling a car with 292,000 miles as one with 92,000 miles? With documentation I knew that mine had 252,000 miles - but only because of the service logs.
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I think all car brands just used 5 digit odometers back then...
Well there ya go thinking again. But no, Porsche was using a 6 digit in their 911 twenty years earlier. Mercedes made the switch in '77. I guess those bird brains in Germany actually cared about how many miles were on the cars.
This post was edited on 11/10/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:34 am to Hangover Haven
They did, but the reason why was they expected you to buy another new car well before 100k.
People would talk of pride of they Chevy or Ford "rolling over" many other brands didn't get that far.
I remember reading an article about how the 1984 Pontiac Grand Am or the 1976 Pontiac Skyhawk may be seen as collectible in the future as none seem to have survived in trader magazines.
There is a solid reason why so many Americans buy used cars now. Cars in general are better.
People would talk of pride of they Chevy or Ford "rolling over" many other brands didn't get that far.
I remember reading an article about how the 1984 Pontiac Grand Am or the 1976 Pontiac Skyhawk may be seen as collectible in the future as none seem to have survived in trader magazines.
There is a solid reason why so many Americans buy used cars now. Cars in general are better.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 9:34 am to jrodLSUke
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All Toyota has done lately is to figure out how to manipulate data. They make vehicles with less power and less options, then brand that as more reliable
Lots of truth to this.
People bitch about reliability when their in-car Wi-Fi won't work. Toyota may not even offer it, so they don't get dinged for that stuff.
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