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re: Why are school killings almost inherently American?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:42 pm to Harry Caray
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:42 pm to Harry Caray
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How often did this shite happen before Columbine? I'd imagine the heavy media coverage and sensationalism of a school shooting doesn't exactly help stop future shootings.
I will try to find it but awhile back I came across a timeline that showed all mass shooting in the US.. going back to, I think 1980. In the 80s they had maybe 3 or 4, then in the 90s, there were 2 or 3 before Columbine. They were spread out, with a few years in between.. Then there was Columbine.. There were several after Columbine, but in 2001 they stopped and there were a few years before the next one (I am assuming 9/11 could have had a factor in this?) and then once they started again, it just continued to increase.
There are people who blame TV and video games, but I don't buy this. People in other countries are watching the same violent TV shows and playing the same video games.. And there has been violence on TV way before these mass shootings have increased.
The common denominator in all of these shooting are the mental state of the shooters. Which makes sense, because no one in their right mind is just going into a public place and start shooting into the crowd.
But this leads to another question. Has there been an increase in mental illness that parallels with the increase of mass shootings?
I am curious about an individual's thinking process before they go through with these actions. There is a difference between thinking about doing something and actually doing it. You would think someone would be so nervous when the time comes, they either back out last minute or when they decide to go through with it, they would be so nervous that frick it up, but that's not happening.
People usually have a specific motive when they kill someone... In many cases they are emotional reactions and in others.. Someone is out to get someone for a certain reason..
But in these mass shootings, I think you have to look at whether or not there is a common factor. You have to be emotionally numb to plan a mass shooting out and then effectively carry them out.
Let's say someone is bullied at school. While being bullied I could see them acting out emotionally and just go off to do something hoping to hurt those who are bullying them, but there is a lot of time between them being bullied and the next day.. For them to cool off and no go through anything that they might have thought of doing in the moment. The real problem is mental. So I think the question should be.. Does the U.S. have more mentally ill people, per capita, than other countries and if so... Why?
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:44 pm to kengel2
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Ahh, seen that chart multiple times today.
Did you know that half of Yemen doesn't have clean drinking water? They've also been in a civil war pretty much since 2014.
There were almost a million cases of cholera that killed over 2200 people.
But let's compare them and say they are better than the US.
I'll go home a drink a nice glass of water to that.
No one is saying Yemen is "better" than the US. Pointing out that other countries do better in this area than we do is not an attack on the US.
Should we say that because we have clean drinking water available to most citizens (not all: Flint, MI) that we've done enough? Or should we strive to fix as many problems as we can in the US?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:55 pm to Golfer
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How many kids in South African schools are being killed by their fellow students at school?
at school?
theyre gang raped on the way to school.
holy shite you people are fricking delusional.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:57 pm to OweO
quote:That is not correct. Mass shooting is not diagnostic of a mental illness. The Charleston shooter, San Bernardino shooters, Orlando shooter and Scalise shooter were not found to have any mental illness from what I've read.
The common denominator in all of these shooting are the mental state of the shooters. Which makes sense, because no one in their right mind is just going into a public place and start shooting into the crowd.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:02 pm to LordSaintly
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I don’t get it. Perpetrators of school shootings have come in all shapes, colors, and sizes. What are you basing this on?
Not really, I'll bet that if you look at the incidents going back to Jonesboro and Pearl as well as Columbine and a few others, it was a disaffected white male doing this to other whites......in predominately white homogenous areas (schools) . Any minorities that were killed in these shootings was maybe only incidental. Columbine was as white /Anglo as you got. This one in Florida was maybe a little more diverse, but I suspect that it was more white/Caucasian, ditto in Oregon
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:04 pm to TaderSalad
quote:That isnt what was done here
Honestly, that is a selective graph. Anyone can randomly tally up the lowest of lows statistically and combine them to support a narrative.
Here is a combiled list of all "school massacres" documented throughout the world, as defined here
quote:
This list of school massacres by death toll contains those cases that occurred at kindergartens, schools and universities, as well as their affiliated buildings. If the perpetrator was a member of the school staff and the victims primarily his colleagues the case is not included here, but added to the list of workplace killings. School massacres are counted as incidents involving at least two deaths, excluding the potential death of the perpetrator.
USA- 39
China-18
Canada-5
Germany 3-
Finaland-3
Brazil-3
Israel-2
Russia-2
Thailand-2
Not a single other country with more than 1.
But once again, we know some countries wont report as accurately as others. But if one still wants to completely bury their head in the sand act blame it on the data again go ahead
LINK
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:17 pm to 23hella
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No one is saying Yemen is "better" than the US. Pointing out that other countries do better in this area than we do is not an attack on the US.
Really? That graph is there to say that those countries are better and safer. Just pointing out that there are some serious issues with some of the countries on that list and it's not even a good list.
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Should we say that because we have clean drinking water available to most citizens (not all: Flint, MI) that we've done enough? Or should we strive to fix as many problems as we can in the US?
Did I say that somewhere? No.
Just pointing out that maybe Yemen has had less school shootings, but their government has killed more citizens with drinking water.
Flint, Michigan? 100,000 residents out of 300,000,000. I'd say those are pretty good numbers.
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Or should we strive to fix as many problems as we can in the US?
Of course we should strive for better. Just sick of everyone acting and comparing the US to some shitholes and saying how bad we have it here. We have the most freedoms of anywhere in the world and people just shite on them and want to give them away.
You know how those countries became shitholes? They let others take their freedom from them.
Again, I'll have my nice glass of ice water this afternoon and y'all can go to freaking Yemen and participate in their civil war.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:41 pm to lsupride87
quote:Because they know there are no guns there.
Why are "gun free zone" killings almost inherently American?
A better and more revealing question is "how many military bases had shootings before Obama made them gun free zones?"
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:43 pm to Codythetiger
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Check out knife killings and mass murders via other weapons than guns and let us know what you find.
OK, here's what I found. I did check to see what was most significant killer of American citizens. It was sobering to see there is an evil that kills American citizens in numbers so great it should make us wonder why we a even discussing guns and knives. Anyone may check Wikipedia and other sources to see for your self:
Preventable Deaths:
TOTAL since 1960 - All combined, adult, teen, child, killed in all "gun mass shootings" - 1,077
TOTAL since Columbine - All school children killed in US in gun shootings - 237
TOTAL - infant deaths by abortion since 1970 - 48,000,000+
TOTAL since 1980 - Largest single cause of preventable death in US, self-inflicted obesity, overeating with fork and spoon - 16,000,000+
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:47 pm to blueboy
quote:The schools in france, england, etc etc etc dont have them either
Because they know there are no guns there
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:47 pm to blueboy
All of Europe is a gun free zone, so they should have many more mass shootings than the US following this logic. Does the data bear that out?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:49 pm to lsupride87
We allow guns.
We have disposable income.
We make kids go to school.
We have 320+ million people.
We have disposable income.
We make kids go to school.
We have 320+ million people.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:55 pm to lsupride87
1. Starts in the family home
2. Mental health is ignored often
3. Bullying is worse today than 20 years ago.
2. Mental health is ignored often
3. Bullying is worse today than 20 years ago.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:56 pm to JBeam
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really reaching if you think corp execs get off on things like Sandy Hook & this recent shooting happening.
you're naive if you dont think that. go watch Nightcrawler and watch how they work in the news station, because that's EXACTLY how it is irl. sensationalist, exploitative snakes just desperate to get "the" footage/sound byte
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:57 pm to SabiDojo
quote:What is different here than the rest of the developed world?
We allow guns.
We have disposable income.
We make kids go to school.
We have 320+ million people.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:04 pm to lsupride87
quote:
What is different here than the rest of the developed world?
The same reason why in other countries women are viewed as second class citizens: culture.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:07 pm to lsupride87
Social media, media coverage
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:09 pm to lsupride87
quote:
We allow guns.
We have disposable income.
We make kids go to school.
We have 320+ million people.
What is different here than the rest of the developed world?
holy shite, you really know nothing...and to think you taught anything other than a rock garden is scary.
you actually believe that the entire developed world allows guns, and has disposable income, with country sizes in excess of 300 million?
it's literal stupidity.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:10 pm to TH03
quote:So given the OP, the question is why so often in America compared to the other 35 or however many countries he listed?
But with guns, you can kill more people , and schools are sadly a really favorable venue for a madman with a gun. Small rooms mean you don't have to be too accurate.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:13 pm to CptBengal
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at school?
theyre gang raped on the way to school.
holy shite you people are fricking delusional.
We're talking about violence on secondary education campuses committed by fellow (or former) students for the most part.
If we want to talk about the overall safety of the communities in South Africa and the US, I'll defer that to another thread.
I'm not denying that other locations are more violent, or more dangerous in the world for high-school aged children. I was originally pointing out that in the developed (Western) world, mass killings on campus by fellow students are off the charts in the US vs. its peers. Nothing more.
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