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Why are poor people in America so patriotic?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:30 pm
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The evidence is not hidden. Ninety percent of the wealth in the United States is held by .1 percent of households. Intergenerational class mobility has been stagnant for several decades. The racial wealth gap continues to persist. It is so extreme that economists and other experts predict that African-Americans as a group will have zero wealth by 2053. "Tax reform" has continued to divert money upward to the very rich and away from all other Americans. Political scientists Martin Gilens and Benjamin Page have shown that America's elected officials are almost wholly unresponsive to the political demands of the average American.
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Despite these facts, poor and working-class Americans are extremely patriotic and nationalistic -- much more so than any other group in the country.
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"Why would poor and working-class people be so patriotic? This country has failed them. Is this a form of false consciousness?"
What is a puzzle for you and me is actually not a puzzle for them at all. It is, in fact, the opposite. It is precisely because so many things have gone wrong for them that they get so much mileage out of being an American, which still happens to be a very prestigious national identity. One could argue that in a way it gives them a sense of identity like nothing else. They’re hanging on to it precisely because they have nothing else to hang on to.
Saying they are possessed by false consciousness is actually a condescending take. Because when you talk to these people they are quite knowledgeable about American history. They are quite knowledgeable about the American social contract.
They don’t have their history wrong. I think they’re being too harsh on themselves. They also differentiate between themselves and the government and say, “What happened to me is my responsibility.” In the end, they hang onto this idea. They feel motivated to continue and to do better the next morning. Many of them said that.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:32 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
You’d love the government too if they refilled your SNAP card every month.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:32 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Gubment pays for my kids food and booze for me.
God bless the United States
God bless the United States
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:32 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Because being poor in America sure as hell beats being poor almost anywhere else on Earth.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:33 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Being poor in America is probably better than being poor anywhere else on Earth.
Edit...well damn. Walrus beat me to the punch.
Edit...well damn. Walrus beat me to the punch.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:34 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Hillary Clinton voters are more patriotic? Interesting
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:34 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Please point me towards the studies indicating African-Americans will have “zero wealth” in 2053. What a load of horseshite.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:35 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Ninety percent of the wealth in the United States is held by .1 percent of households
This is false, and I'll give you a cookie if you can tell me how salon (lulz) messed up.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:35 pm to TH03
Hmmm I see more American flags flying in front of middle class houses than I do in shithole neighborhoods.
Don’t let your view be influenced by Hollywood and their view of “poor America”.
Don’t let your view be influenced by Hollywood and their view of “poor America”.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:35 pm to Maytheporkbewithyou
Because “poor” people in America have air conditioning, cable tv, x boxes and smart phones.
Our “poverty line” is a testament to how we are the most successful country in the history of the world
Our “poverty line” is a testament to how we are the most successful country in the history of the world
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:36 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
I don’t know any poor people. Wish I could help you out.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:38 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Ninety percent of the wealth in the United States is held by .1 percent of households. Intergenerational class mobility has been stagnant for several decades.
Yeah you probably aren't gonna go from dirt poor to billionaire but you can definitely make a good life for yourself much more easily here thsn anywhere else. They aren't taking into account the people that grew up poor as shite and got an education and worked hard and are now living comfortably but not flying private to their vacation homes.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:38 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Maybe Darth and his Bikers For Freedom and SNAP can answer this for us.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:40 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Not poor... Love this country...this thread is stupid
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:41 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Media. They are funded and run to take focus away from class warfare. It works.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:41 pm to Sao
darth's in a welfare motorcycle gang? didn't know that.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:44 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Because no matter what the left will tell you this is by far the greatest country on this earth. Even the poor have it pretty good
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:46 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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"Tax reform" has continued to divert money upward to the very rich and away from all other Americans.
wat.
How does a lower tax rate take money from poor people and give it to rich people?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:47 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
The bottom 10% in the US still do better than the bottom 10% in 75% of the world's "developed nations" and just as good, or better, than the top tier of the bottom 30%
Why are they patriotic??
Cuz capitalism, the constitution and America rule!!
Deal with it, bitch!!
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:51 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Because if you're poor almost anywhere else you don't have food, shelter, TV, cell phones, clean water, health care, etc.
Poor here still averages to 40k+ with public assistance. It's a pretty fricking sweet deal if you got the genetic short end of the stick. You can even get obese without paying a penny for food.
Poor here still averages to 40k+ with public assistance. It's a pretty fricking sweet deal if you got the genetic short end of the stick. You can even get obese without paying a penny for food.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 9:53 pm
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