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Why are poor people in America so patriotic?

Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:30 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:30 pm
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The evidence is not hidden. Ninety percent of the wealth in the United States is held by .1 percent of households. Intergenerational class mobility has been stagnant for several decades. The racial wealth gap continues to persist. It is so extreme that economists and other experts predict that African-Americans as a group will have zero wealth by 2053. "Tax reform" has continued to divert money upward to the very rich and away from all other Americans. Political scientists Martin Gilens and Benjamin Page have shown that America's elected officials are almost wholly unresponsive to the political demands of the average American.


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Despite these facts, poor and working-class Americans are extremely patriotic and nationalistic -- much more so than any other group in the country.


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"Why would poor and working-class people be so patriotic? This country has failed them. Is this a form of false consciousness?"

What is a puzzle for you and me is actually not a puzzle for them at all. It is, in fact, the opposite. It is precisely because so many things have gone wrong for them that they get so much mileage out of being an American, which still happens to be a very prestigious national identity. One could argue that in a way it gives them a sense of identity like nothing else. They’re hanging on to it precisely because they have nothing else to hang on to.

Saying they are possessed by false consciousness is actually a condescending take. Because when you talk to these people they are quite knowledgeable about American history. They are quite knowledgeable about the American social contract.

They don’t have their history wrong. I think they’re being too harsh on themselves. They also differentiate between themselves and the government and say, “What happened to me is my responsibility.” In the end, they hang onto this idea. They feel motivated to continue and to do better the next morning. Many of them said that.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:32 pm to
You’d love the government too if they refilled your SNAP card every month.
Posted by DustyDinkleman
Here
Member since Feb 2012
18176 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:32 pm to
Gubment pays for my kids food and booze for me.


God bless the United States
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40544 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:32 pm to
Because being poor in America sure as hell beats being poor almost anywhere else on Earth.
Posted by Maytheporkbewithyou
Member since Aug 2016
12630 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:33 pm to
Being poor in America is probably better than being poor anywhere else on Earth.

Edit...well damn. Walrus beat me to the punch.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 9:35 pm
Posted by MF Doom
I'm only Joshin'
Member since Oct 2008
11712 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:34 pm to
Hillary Clinton voters are more patriotic? Interesting
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40544 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:34 pm to
Please point me towards the studies indicating African-Americans will have “zero wealth” in 2053. What a load of horseshite.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63031 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:35 pm to
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Ninety percent of the wealth in the United States is held by .1 percent of households


This is false, and I'll give you a cookie if you can tell me how salon (lulz) messed up.
Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
7930 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:35 pm to
Hmmm I see more American flags flying in front of middle class houses than I do in shithole neighborhoods.

Don’t let your view be influenced by Hollywood and their view of “poor America”.
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
4369 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:35 pm to
Because “poor” people in America have air conditioning, cable tv, x boxes and smart phones.

Our “poverty line” is a testament to how we are the most successful country in the history of the world
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
32495 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:36 pm to
I don’t know any poor people. Wish I could help you out.
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:38 pm to
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Ninety percent of the wealth in the United States is held by .1 percent of households. Intergenerational class mobility has been stagnant for several decades. 

Yeah you probably aren't gonna go from dirt poor to billionaire but you can definitely make a good life for yourself much more easily here thsn anywhere else. They aren't taking into account the people that grew up poor as shite and got an education and worked hard and are now living comfortably but not flying private to their vacation homes.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 9:41 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65756 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:38 pm to

Maybe Darth and his Bikers For Freedom and SNAP can answer this for us.
Posted by Phil A Sheo
equinsu ocha
Member since Aug 2011
12166 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:40 pm to
Not poor... Love this country...this thread is stupid
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
39018 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:41 pm to
Media. They are funded and run to take focus away from class warfare. It works.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55654 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:41 pm to
darth's in a welfare motorcycle gang? didn't know that.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
34769 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:44 pm to
Because no matter what the left will tell you this is by far the greatest country on this earth. Even the poor have it pretty good



Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18645 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:46 pm to
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"Tax reform" has continued to divert money upward to the very rich and away from all other Americans.


wat.


How does a lower tax rate take money from poor people and give it to rich people?
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
Highland Rd
Member since Sep 2009
14815 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:47 pm to


The bottom 10% in the US still do better than the bottom 10% in 75% of the world's "developed nations" and just as good, or better, than the top tier of the bottom 30%

Why are they patriotic??

Cuz capitalism, the constitution and America rule!!

Deal with it, bitch!!
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 9:51 pm to
Because if you're poor almost anywhere else you don't have food, shelter, TV, cell phones, clean water, health care, etc.

Poor here still averages to 40k+ with public assistance. It's a pretty fricking sweet deal if you got the genetic short end of the stick. You can even get obese without paying a penny for food.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 9:53 pm
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