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Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:26 am to DavidTheGnome
Probably already stated but it always seemed to me that the Germans had some kind of remorse for what they were doing. Maybe not directly but the amount of alcoholism, speed addictions and suicides point to some kind of regret. The Japanese showed none what so ever with anything they did. These are just my theories though.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:50 am to DavidTheGnome
Russian were pretty brutal too. To the enemy and themselves
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:10 am to Kansas City King
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Russian were pretty brutal too. To the enemy and themselves
Yeah, my grandmother was a European history teacher so we always grew up with a lot of WW2 info in our family. Watching docs, reading books etc. However, when I was like 10 or so I decided I was well versed and grown up enough to watch a documentary on the Russian invasion of Berlin. I was not. Kind of scarred me for a while and it still gets to me some times.
But still, that eastern front and the Russians pure will to survive and kill no matter the cost fascinates me.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:12 am to DavidTheGnome
We dropped an A-Bomb on civilians, So we should be in the discussion as well.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:38 am to SmelvinRat
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The researchers in Unit 731 were secretly given immunity by the United States in exchange for the data which they gathered during their human experimentation.[6] Other researchers that the Soviet forces managed to arrest first were tried at the Khabarovsk War Crime Trials in 1949. The Americans did not try the researchers so that the information and experience gained in bio-weapons could be co-opted into their biological warfare program, much as they had done with German researchers in Operation Paperclip.[7] Victim accounts were then largely ignored or dismissed in the west as communist propaganda
We are not the “good guys”. Not by a large margin.
Wiki Link - Unit 731
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:01 am to DavidTheGnome
The Japanese had a lust for blood and had no problem killing themselves in the process of satisfying it.
The brutality of many German units is well known, but the rank & file German soldier didn't have the "death before surrender" ideology burned into him like the Japanese.
Many of them actually believed they were fighting for their country and likely didn't know of the atrocities being committed by the hardliners.
A German soldier who spent most of the war in places like Paris or occupying Guernsey and the other Channel Islands very likely had no real clue of the horrors going on at places like Dachau- or on the Russian front with the Death Squads....
The war in the Pacific had a VERY personal level to it. My father never really put his demons to rest from the time he spent on a Destroyer in the Pacific Theatre. It was a brutal chapter of the most brutal war.
The brutality of many German units is well known, but the rank & file German soldier didn't have the "death before surrender" ideology burned into him like the Japanese.
Many of them actually believed they were fighting for their country and likely didn't know of the atrocities being committed by the hardliners.
A German soldier who spent most of the war in places like Paris or occupying Guernsey and the other Channel Islands very likely had no real clue of the horrors going on at places like Dachau- or on the Russian front with the Death Squads....
The war in the Pacific had a VERY personal level to it. My father never really put his demons to rest from the time he spent on a Destroyer in the Pacific Theatre. It was a brutal chapter of the most brutal war.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:01 am to DavidTheGnome
Japs by far
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:08 am to DavidTheGnome
Is this even a question. Nazi’s will get a pitch fork and stab your pregnant wife. (True)
The Japanese were very brutal in murder. But nothing beats exterminating people.
I’m a WW2 nut. Specifically Hitler and his henchmen. How one country could turn to this hate.
Hitler should’ve gone done to death camps. It’s amazing this happen in our lifetime. This will in the history books for a long very long time.
The German people did know about the concentration camps despite the claim they did not.
The Japanese were very brutal in murder. But nothing beats exterminating people.
I’m a WW2 nut. Specifically Hitler and his henchmen. How one country could turn to this hate.
Hitler should’ve gone done to death camps. It’s amazing this happen in our lifetime. This will in the history books for a long very long time.
The German people did know about the concentration camps despite the claim they did not.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 10:43 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:08 am to DavidTheGnome
Probably the Japanese. I read somewhere that there were instances where Japanese soldiers would throw Chinese babies in the air and catch them with their bayonets. Takes a disturbing kind of evil to do something like that
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:09 am to DavidTheGnome
Starving people to death even poor Anne Frank.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 10:14 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:12 am to athenslife101
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Guy Sajer talked about how there would be people who’d tie up prisoners and drop live grenades into the pockets of one of them.
There were Americans who did stuff like that too. There are always sadists. In general, the Germans fought in the civilized European tradition. What they did to civilians was what was horrifying.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:10 pm to FredBear
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Probably the Japanese. I read somewhere that there were instances where Japanese soldiers would throw Chinese babies in the air and catch them with their bayonets. Takes a disturbing kind of evil to do something like that
Nanking says hello. And then there is this:
Jap Island held a dark secret
Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:45 pm to DavidTheGnome
Japanese
Soviets
Germans
Soviets
Germans
Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:52 pm to Hayekian serf
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We dropped an A-Bomb on civilians, So we should be in the discussion as well.
In case you don't know, both the Japanese and the Germans were trying to develop nuclear weapons.
Honest question. Had they beaten us in the race to develop the bomb, what do you think they would have done with it?
Posted on 10/28/21 at 2:01 pm to DavidTheGnome
It's the Japanese. Both were two of the most evil forces the world has ever seen.
A lot of people know about how brutal each side was, but probably think of the Nazi genocide as larger just with the sheer number of people they killed. But many forget that Japan had an 8 year head start on WW2 when they looked to expansion and invaded Manchuria in 1931.
So not only were they just amazingly brutal with their killing as has been well documented, but they get to add another estimated 20 million people to their murder toll on top of whatever the number is they racked up after the war kicked off in Europe with the Germans invading Poland in '39.
A lot of people know about how brutal each side was, but probably think of the Nazi genocide as larger just with the sheer number of people they killed. But many forget that Japan had an 8 year head start on WW2 when they looked to expansion and invaded Manchuria in 1931.
So not only were they just amazingly brutal with their killing as has been well documented, but they get to add another estimated 20 million people to their murder toll on top of whatever the number is they racked up after the war kicked off in Europe with the Germans invading Poland in '39.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 2:09 pm to Hayekian serf
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We dropped an A-Bomb on civilians, So we should be in the discussion as well.
Not a chance! Shame on you. There was little difference between the atomic bomb and the firebombing techniques being used in Dresden for example. All sides were targeting civilians and infrastructure as a means of winning the war. The atomic bomb simply meant we got better at it than they did.
Killing people gratuitously is a different matter. The Nazis were massacring civilians with no idea that it would help them win the war. The savagery of the Japanese bespoke a more primitive culture; Europeans did that sort of thing - in the 1600’s.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 2:37 pm to DavidTheGnome
As fanatical and animalistic as the IJN was in World War II, the systematic and coordinated destruction of an entire race of people is just on a whole other level of evil. The Japanese were evil in that barbarian sort of way while the Germans were evil in that serial killer sort of way. The latter is more terrifying IMHO.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 8:31 pm to DavidTheGnome
Just finished a book by a former B-29 pilot who said
"Prisoner deaths in the German POW camps averaged 1.1%, but deaths in Japanese POW camps averaged 37%."
"Prisoner deaths in the German POW camps averaged 1.1%, but deaths in Japanese POW camps averaged 37%."
Posted on 10/31/21 at 8:35 pm to FightinTigersDammit
My grandfathers almost disowned me for buying a Toyota. Basically rather push a Ford than drive something built by the nips
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