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re: What’s your opinion of paid maternity/paternity leave?
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:02 am to F1y0n7h3W4LL
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:02 am to F1y0n7h3W4LL
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With extended male paternity leaves of more than a few days, this blurs the lines of traditional roles of parenthood.
No it doesn’t. Y’all are so dramatic. Major male fragility all over this thread.
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:03 am to concrete_tiger
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When I was in my 20s and 30s, and we had 3 kids ourselves... I don't think I took more than a week off between the 3 of them. I have lost count, but in a window of 10 years at one company, I think the count of maternity leaves on my team was 10, but I may be forgetting some. One woman had 3 kids in less than 4 years. So essentially over 10 years, there was over a half a year of lost time just to that. Guess who picked up the slack? Guess who never gets a fricking pat on the back when work is mysteriously covered over and over and over again for others?
maybe don't work in HR and get a job with men
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:04 am to jordan21210
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Major male fragility all over this board, but specifically this thread.
FIFY
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:14 am to Penrod
quote:My #1 job is to take care of my family. Not pad the books for a bunch of shareholders and help the executive board reach their margins so they hit their option bonuses.
Because you have a job to do. Do your friggin job.
People like you need to realize that company don’t give a shite about their employees anymore. You’re nothing more than a replaceable cog in the wheel. Why are you bending over backwards for them when they have
-Removed pension plans
-Increase the budget for outside hires while shafting existing employees on raises and bonuses
-keep employees in an “employeed at will system”
-protect their bottom line at all cost
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:18 am to Penrod
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Because you have a job to do. Do your friggin job.
my family is my #1 job
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:21 am to Penrod
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Because you have a job to do. Do your friggin job
You’re right. Being a present father is job 1. All other jobs are secondary to job 1.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:31 am to jordan21210
After Butty whos it (Biden's ?? transportation secretary) took it for adopting a child and ignored a major problem that happened in his absence, I'd argue against it.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:33 am to real turf fan
I took 6 weeks when my wife had twins. I had to take annual leave, but it was absolutely worth it.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:37 am to redneck
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My wife had a C section on a Wednesday and I was back at work on Monday. Like others said, dudes taking maternity leave is just milking it and employers take notice when it's raise/promotion time
It's weird that so many in this thread seem to brag or be proud of how little time they took off to be with their wife/newborn. I don't think this is the flex many of you think it is.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:44 am to Dizz
It always makes me laugh how loyal these boomers are to companies that could care less about them.
I want as much paternity leave as I can possible get, glad the fed gov upped it to 12 weeks. No reason to rush back to the office, be with your new family as much as you can.
I want as much paternity leave as I can possible get, glad the fed gov upped it to 12 weeks. No reason to rush back to the office, be with your new family as much as you can.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:51 am to Glock17
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I took 6 weeks when my wife had twins. I had to take annual leave, but it was absolutely worth it.
Same but had a little paternity leave and used PTO for the rest. Wish I could’ve taken more.
to a fellow twin dad, I can commiserate. 
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:56 am to Dam Guide
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It always makes me laugh how loyal these boomers are to companies that could care less about them.
My boss would be worried if I came back to work 3 days after becoming a father. He'd basically force me back home (paid).
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:58 am to Dam Guide
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It always makes me laugh how loyal these boomers are to companies that could care less about them.
And they'll turn around and bitch about the "breakdown of the family" in our society, while calling men who take time to spend with their families pussies.
This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 9:59 am
Posted on 8/12/24 at 10:00 am to Deuces
I'm against govt forcing more cost on employers.
This needs to be an insurance type of thing. Like short term disability.
This needs to be an insurance type of thing. Like short term disability.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 10:10 am to F1y0n7h3W4LL
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In traditional male/female roles, the mother is the caregiver and the father is the provider. I see these defined roles as being a healthy example for the child to know in later life.
With extended male paternity leaves of more than a few days, this blurs the lines of traditional roles of parenthood.
This is just dumb. A man can absolutely still be a father in a traditional role by assisting the mother who is still recovering from the birth of their child. There's all kinds of research that shows that infants and toddlers nurtured by both parents lead to better outcomes for the child.
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The story of some guy taking 3 years for a paternity leave, is clearly milking the system and the employer is being extorted by societal pressure.
That is the absolute extreme exception. Most American companies who provide paternity leave along with maternity leave is typically just for a few weeks (6-8 seems to be a common timeframe). And shouldn't be the water mark for whether we should provide leave.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 10:13 am to redneck
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My wife had a C section on a Wednesday and I was back at work on Monday.
Imagine bragging about this
Posted on 8/12/24 at 10:18 am to Deuces
I took a day because my kid was born at 6 am and I didn't sleep that night. The next day, I was back at work. I went to the hospital afterward to take my shift.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 10:21 am to Deuces
I support states and local governments determining that they're pro-family and that if you want to do business here, you have to incorporate those policies into your employment practices. And the state/local government should in turn reward those businesses for promoting the policies and should directly promote the policies themselves (taxation, etc.).
I think it gets increasingly messy on a national scale, like everything else. I'm not necessarily against paid leave as national policy, I just think that from a pro-family/natalist perspective, doing that alongside a bunch of other stuff that is decidedly not helpful to traditional families is going to end up a distorted handout that does nothing to actually help our overall aims.
I think it gets increasingly messy on a national scale, like everything else. I'm not necessarily against paid leave as national policy, I just think that from a pro-family/natalist perspective, doing that alongside a bunch of other stuff that is decidedly not helpful to traditional families is going to end up a distorted handout that does nothing to actually help our overall aims.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 10:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This needs to be an insurance type of thing. Like short term disability.
Yes. I have paid into Unemployment Insurance for 26 years and never used 1 minute of it. I should, at least, be able to use it to get $500/week for a few weeks to spend time bonding with my kids.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 10:25 am to Duke
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And they'll turn around and bitch about the "breakdown of the family" in our society,
Govt didnt force maternity leave when we did have strong families.
I wonder how that happened? Miracle, i guess.
Plan your leave right, use your personal leave. Sounds reasonable, but since govt isnt forcing something, Progs will not like it.
This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 10:27 am
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