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re: What’s an American history hot take you’ve got?
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:16 am to Sam Quint
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:16 am to Sam Quint
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that's a stupid comparison. it took hundreds, if not thousands, of sorties to do to Tokyo what one single bomb did to Hiroshima.
March 9-10th alone killed 100k in Tokyo and did far more damage as most of their houses were...WOOD AND PAPER. It's extremely apt comparison, and historically accurate. Suck it.
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now that's the kind hot take i came here to downvote.
The truth will set you free. Dropping the bomb started the Military Industrial Complex going downhill with no brakes. Having nukes and not being able to use them out of fear of mutually assured destruction have stopped zero wars. Once again, suck it.
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Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:23 am to migui8618
Columbus was looking for the Lost tribes and the Moors. He knew exactly where he was going.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:23 am to migui8618
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March 9-10th alone killed 100k in Tokyo and did far more damage as most of their houses were...WOOD AND PAPER. It's extremely apt comparison, and historically accurate. Suck it.
you're still talking about hundreds of sorties vs one single mission you moron. it's apples and volkswagons.
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Having nukes and not being able to use them out of fear of mutually assured destruction have stopped zero wars.
i say it stopped a hundred wars. maybe a thousand. prove me wrong.
what is certain is that a large number of Americans would have absolutely died during an invasion of mainland Japan.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:38 am to Sam Quint
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you're still talking about hundreds of sorties vs one single mission you moron. it's apples and volkswagons.
Dude, you know you're wrong here, just admit it.
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i say it stopped a hundred wars. maybe a thousand. prove me wrong.
what is certain is that a large number of Americans would have absolutely died during an invasion of mainland Japan.
Alright padnuh, show me the decades of peace the world has experienced due to scary nukes being rattled like keys. It doesn't exist. It's just another tool to make people rich. And people got rich testing them for decades, destroying land and killing people across the globe. They are more useful to the people that matter as a scare tactic. No one makes money if nuclear war sparks off, idiot. It's the dumbest ponzi scheme in history.
The threat of invasion was the catalyst in ending the war. Nukes made no difference, at fricking all. The people in power knew Truman was an idiot, because he used them in the first place. Saying nukes ended the war is the ultimate propaganda that's fed families for decades off taxpayers backs trying to arm the world in a pissing contest that ultimately did jack shite.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:39 am to Sam Quint
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you gotta say something like "Douglas MacArthur was the greatest general America ever produced"
Something like that could have really ginned up the discussions
Vis a vis MacArthur. I believe he and his Dad are the only father/son MOH awardees.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:41 am to Milk
The deep state is now tech billionaires.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:41 am to grizzlylongcut
While morally abhorrent, chattel slavery wasn't as bad as history makes it out to be.
The slaves lived in better conditions in the American south than they would have in Africa or even in any of the European colonies in the Caribbean.
The physical abuse of slaves is greatly overstated. Did it happen, yes, but like today's combines and tractors, slaves were a capital investment in agricultural production. Just like you don't ignore the maintenance on a John Deere so that it breaks down, you wouldn't beat the shite out of a slave to the point that he or she couldn't work in the fields.
The slaves lived in better conditions in the American south than they would have in Africa or even in any of the European colonies in the Caribbean.
The physical abuse of slaves is greatly overstated. Did it happen, yes, but like today's combines and tractors, slaves were a capital investment in agricultural production. Just like you don't ignore the maintenance on a John Deere so that it breaks down, you wouldn't beat the shite out of a slave to the point that he or she couldn't work in the fields.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:44 am to migui8618
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Dude, you know you're wrong here, just admit it.
wrong about what? i never said that the Tokyo raids werent more devastating. they absolutely were. i'm saying that it's not an apples to apples comparison. one plane did to a city what it took thousands of planes to do to another city
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show me the decades of peace the world has experienced due to scary nukes being rattled like keys
well i would say that the fact that there hasnt been a world war since 1945 is evidence of that. mutually assured destruction was certainly inelegant, but it more or less kept the world at peace through the entire second half of the 20th century when compared to the absolute catastrophic devastation dealt out in the first half.
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The threat of invasion was the catalyst in ending the war.
so it is your position that Imperial Japan was going to surrender because they were scared of being invaded?
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 10:47 am
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:45 am to Ostrich
Manifest destiny was trying to expand to the Pacific. How can we practice manifest destiny anywhere when we're already at the Pacific?
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:50 am to Raging Tiger
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The only reason Japan didn’t try to invade the west coast was they saw the large number of hunting licenses distributed. They knew it would be a death sentence.
They never had the fuel or equipment to even think about invading the mainland, nor any way to supply the fleet at such distances. Even if they had won at Midway, it's doubtful that they would have been able to physically invade the Island. They didn't have the equipment for it, even in their invasion force. They would have had men in boats trying to get ashore without much support and those men would have been burned down.
They couldn't even resupply the two garrisons they had in the Aleutians, they all died on one island and evacuated the other when they knew we were coming. Midway had only destroyed Aircraft Carriers, and after Midway, we couldn't deploy Carriers to the Aleutians. There was nothing stopping them from resupplying there except the fact that they just couldn't do it.
I like guns, but that didn't stop the Japanese.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:51 am to AUstar
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The early American colonists were not religious refugees as is often claimed. Jamestown was already settled by 1607 (13 years before Mayflower). It was a money making venture that had nothing to do with religion at all.
This isn't really a "hot take," just a fact.
Close.
They wanted to OWN LAND.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:52 am to RoyalAir
However, the modern U.S. overdose crisis is dominated by synthetic fentanyl, which does not require poppies at all. So even if Afghanistan's fields had been wiped out, it's quite possible that traffickers would eventually have shifted toward fentanyl anyway because it is cheaper, more potent, and easier to manufacture and transport.
A reasonable summary is:
2001-2010: Afghan poppies were more relevant because heroin was a major opioid threat.
2020s: Afghan poppies are far less relevant to U.S. overdose deaths because fentanyl is the dominant driver.
Destroying Afghan poppy fields would not have prevented the fentanyl era, though it might have changed the path by which the opioid crisis evolved.
A reasonable summary is:
2001-2010: Afghan poppies were more relevant because heroin was a major opioid threat.
2020s: Afghan poppies are far less relevant to U.S. overdose deaths because fentanyl is the dominant driver.
Destroying Afghan poppy fields would not have prevented the fentanyl era, though it might have changed the path by which the opioid crisis evolved.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:52 am to Gusoline
Before the War Between the States, more people could read and write in the South than in the North.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:52 am to PJinAtl
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The physical abuse of slaves is greatly overstated. Did it happen, yes, but like today's combines and tractors, slaves were a capital investment in agricultural production. Just like you don't ignore the maintenance on a John Deere so that it breaks down, you wouldn't beat the shite out of a slave to the point that he or she couldn't work in the fields.
A tractor isn't a human being
the attempt to try to boil the American slave experience down to pure economics, while indeed it was and is economics which are the greatest factor in human slavery then or now.
And to say that most slave owners did not beat their slaves, were you there? No, so don't act like an authority on the operation of THOUSANDS or plantations, mills, farms,mule trains, boats etc..
Slavery is a horrible thing it's a part of our nation's past I love this country It doesn't make me anti-American to acknowledge that, in our past, our nation has maybe made mistakes that in its time, were just , normal.
Sure we have but we have also as a nation, done the best job of trying to mitigate our worst habits and encourage our better nature
but slavery could be and was as horrible here as anywhere else
And please try to argue, farmers don't abuse tractors
I look forward to embarrassing you
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 10:57 am
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:56 am to Sam Quint
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wrong about what? i never said that the Tokyo raids werent more devastating. they absolutely were. i'm saying that it's not an apples to apples comparison. one plane did to a city what it took thousands of planes to do to another city
Both were done in a day or two, and total project wise...Tokyo raids were 100% cheaper. It was a tremendous waste of money on something that should never have been unleashed. Wasn't necessary.
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well i would say that the fact that there hasnt been a world war since 1945 is evidence of that. mutually assured destruction was certainly inelegant, but it more or less kept the world at peace through the entire second half of the 20th century when compared to the absolute catastrophic devastation dealt out in the first half.
Sir...the world has been in a perpetual state of war since the end of WW2. World wars are obsolete, because you can't keep reaping the taxpayer whirlwind when you push it too far. The nukes haven't solved anything, but have made people exceptionally rich creating a trinket that is the ultimate boogeyman.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:57 am to grizzlylongcut
Mexico claims the Western US because Mexico rebelled against Spain and won. Why doesn't the United States claim Canada on the same grounds?
Texas rebelled against Mexico. Separate issue.
Texas rebelled against Mexico. Separate issue.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:57 am to OWLFAN86
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A tractor isn't a human being
the attempt to try to boil the American slave experience down to pure economics, while indeed it was and is economics which are the greatest factor in human slavery then or now.
And to say that most slave owners did not beat their slaves, were you there? No, so don't act like an authority on the operation of THOUSANDS or plantations, mills, farms,mule trains, boats etc..
Slavery is a horrible thing it's a part of our nation's past I love this country It doesn't make me anti-American to acknowledge that, in our past, our nation has maybe made mistakes that in its time, were just , normal.
Sure we have but we have also as a nation, done the best job of trying to mitigate our worst habits and encourage our better nature
but slavery could be and was as horrible here as anywhere else
it's also ok to question the official historical narrative that has been presented by the very people the narrative benefits. questioning the level of severity of slavery across the board is not the same as questioning the morality of slavery in general.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:59 am to migui8618
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Keeping the Reich away from the oil in Baku was incredibly important.
This is what so many miss!
Historical oil "spheres"
Russia (Baku) for Russia
Middle East for Europe (BP / Total / etc) and why Axis wanted it
South Sea for Asia (Royal Dutch Shell) and why Japs wanted it
Americas (USA - lower 48 and AK) + Central America + South America
Folks forget it was Venezuela that got OPEC going and we still get out oil in this sphere (tho now we refine and sell it to Asia so we can get Middle East oil (cheaper) to sell to our own citizens
Not sure if this is still the flow today as I am old and do not fo9llow as well but that was the oil business for over a century and pretty mush how it worked in the 80's, 90's, and the start of this century.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:00 am to Sam Quint
Understand that but the weak arse argument that slaves were like tractors and a good farmer doesn't abuse his tractor,...that "logic"
is illogical
Everyone of us owns a car kind of like our own personal tractor are you gonna say that everyone in this board takes perfect care of their vehicle?
I mean that's their car. They use that to get around from place to place like people used to use horses It would be stupid for people to abuse their horse back in the Old West but they did It would be stupid for people to abuse their slaves but they did
is illogical
Everyone of us owns a car kind of like our own personal tractor are you gonna say that everyone in this board takes perfect care of their vehicle?
I mean that's their car. They use that to get around from place to place like people used to use horses It would be stupid for people to abuse their horse back in the Old West but they did It would be stupid for people to abuse their slaves but they did
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:03 am to migui8618
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Sir...the world has been in a perpetual state of war since the end of WW2.
Proxy wars. Not wars amongst super powers.
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World wars are obsolete, because you can't keep reaping the taxpayer whirlwind when you push it too far.
Right. Because of nuclear weapons.
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The nukes haven't solved anything, but have made people exceptionally rich creating a trinket that is the ultimate boogeyman.
Yes. We all know war is good for business. That doesn't conflict with the fact that nuclear weapons created The Long Peace amongst super powers.
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