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re: What’s an American history hot take you’ve got?

Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:40 am to
Posted by migui8618
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:40 am to
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The use of nuclear weapons to end WWII galvanized the world against them because of the horror of their use.


And started the spending spree. You can't miss the forest for the trees. Saying the Japanese surrendered because they REALLY feared an invasion doesn't sell Atomic bombs to the world. It doesn't start the ramp up in production, the espionage, the saber rattling. It basically shelves it as a massive mistake that the cost of creating will never ever be redeemed by any benefit, whatsoever. This whole saving the world from annihilation sounds really fricking good...for business.
Posted by Purplehaze
spring, tx
Member since Dec 2003
2394 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:41 am to
The Civil War, looking at both sides, it was a rich man's war and a poor man's fight.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
63114 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:41 am to
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We should have picked our own fricking cotton.

Poor white folks did. African slaves were a luxury of labor only their rich could take advantage of.

Think of it in modern farming

Poor folks / small farms do the work with a older and much less expensive tractor or by hand

Agra business can afford the large tracks of land and the REALLY expensive tractors
Posted by SOBmustpay
North Louisiana
Member since Jun 2026
437 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:44 am to
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The Deep State has always existed and puts people they can blackmail and easily control into high government office

I’ve always been fascinated by this. I know that it has been going on, even since Roman times. I wonder if this was the case with Washington, Adams, or Jefferson (that’s a whole different conversation).
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
7785 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:45 am to
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However, the modern U.S. overdose crisis is dominated by synthetic fentanyl, which does not require poppies at all. So even if Afghanistan's fields had been wiped out, it's quite possible that traffickers would eventually have shifted toward fentanyl anyway because it is cheaper, more potent, and easier to manufacture and transport.



There's no need/market for Fentanyl (synthetic or otherwise) without an opioid crisis that gets large swaths of the country hooked on painkillers. Heroin makes a major comeback, and fentanyl enters the lexicon directly because of pill-pushing and the addictive nature of opioids.

Which the effing Sacklers knew, and hid. They purposely targeted blue-collar folks with work injuries in Appalachia because the press DGAF about these people. In a just society, the Sacklers would be windchimes.
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
3679 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:46 am to
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I don't know about that one. I know where it comes from, and you're not wrong in that thinking. But my counter point is this. The Russians were using US Trucks, US food and US bullets. Without American logistics, Russia gets overrun in year two of Barbarossa.


Absolutely. Take the US out of the equation, Germany would have certainly won the war.

Posted by migui8618
Member since Nov 2023
890 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:47 am to
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Absolutely. Take the US out of the equation, Germany would have certainly won the war.


Don't forget, until it became more profitable to destroy them, we funded Germany too.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
63114 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:48 am to
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The Civil War, looking at both sides, it was a rich man's war and a poor man's fight.


While I agreee on this, viewed as a country, only 3 US wars were Democratic

Independence
World War I
World War II

Rich or poor, all fought and died together.

After that, loopholes existed


Civil War allowed future robber barrons to buy their way out of fighting for the Union and the poor, black, Irish, etc got to be the cannon fodder for wealthy white Yankees'

Korean War and Vietnam War allowed rich daddies to get their kids out of serving with leaving country, national guard, fake bone spurs, etc, etc

No draft since the Regan election in 1980 so now it is poor kids who fight and rich kids get a pass
Posted by Sams Crow
Idaho
Member since Apr 2026
478 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:49 am to
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Babbitt definitely suffered the consequence of poor choices.


Babbitt definitely suffered the consequence of Byrd's poor choices.
Good to go now.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
63114 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:51 am to
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Which the effing Sacklers knew, and hid



History repeats

Rich folks in Philadelphia financially raped Eastern Kentucky after then Civil War

Rich folks in Philadelphia did the same thing just over a century later with drugs.


Biggest dope dealers are not south of the border, they are right here in the USA.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19899 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:53 am to
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Why? Not asking to be smart, just honestly don't understand why an adverb wouldn't be acceptable here.


Because you’re describing nouns, so you use adjectives
Posted by sledgehammer
SWLA
Member since Oct 2020
7846 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:54 am to
MLK shouldn’t be revered and shouldn’t have his own holiday.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71188 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:55 am to
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Because you’re describing nouns, so you use adjectives


You can preposition deez nutz!
Posted by ShrimperDan
Fernandina
Member since Jul 2026
147 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:55 am to
The revisionist history about Grant being an underrated president is mostly just about his racial stances, which were objectively good for the time. But really he was actually a mediocre to outright bad president because those stances even in our modern lens don't discount all of the scandals and corruption that occurred in his administration. He wasn't really corrupt himself, he just had no idea how to handle politicians and institutions under his control. He was a general, not a president.

"Property" should never have been replaced by "The pursuit of happiness".

Teddy Roosevelt is one of the only presidents that you could drop into the office at any time period in our history and he would still be considered a great president. Maybe the hot take there is the "one of the only" part. He might be the only one.

Sometimes you'll hear historians talk about the potential plan to fight the Soviet Union at the end of WW2. What we should have done (and some of this is hindsight) is help the Nationalist Chinese beat the communists. That almost assuredly prevents the Korean war and deprives the Soviet Union of a big ally, prevents Vietnam, and we have a relatively normal China in modern day.

Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
35244 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 12:03 pm to
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Germany would have certainly won the war.


No. They would have taken over main land Europe and negotiated a peace with Brittan and the US.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
17163 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 12:04 pm to
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It wasn’t. It was about states rights, and the southern states’ argument that they had the right to tell their residents it was ok for them to purchase and own slaves. Those slaves happened to be black.

If it wasn’t about slavery, then do you think the civil war still happens that year if slavery in the US never existed?
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
63114 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 12:08 pm to
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The Deep State has always existed


The "Deep State" is a FAKE NEWS conspiracy concocted to create fear and division in the Merican Democracy. Look at Hitler and history. He tried to take Germany by force the first and second time and they laughed at him and threw his arse in jail. He took control using a Democracy to weaken itself with FEAR and DIVISION. He took power in a free election, then dismantled it after the election.

My old man and my uncles fought the turd and his Jap pals with blood, sweat, and tears. Generations since have let themselves get fighting with each other. DJT thinks he is the puppet master but he is just the puppet. While DJT is no Hitler, the methods by those pulling the strings is the same.

Washington CLIFF DWELLERS have been around since the 1700's

Washington BELTWAY BOYS have been around for at least a century and went on steroids after the 1980 election

They own the lobbyist
The own the media (liberal and conservative)
They own POTUS, SCOTUS, and Congress

USA has a secret weapon tho, and it is called "The People". They must unite and work together to take the rich and powerful super minority with the most powerful weapon on earth when used in mass.


THE VOTE
Posted by R11
Member since Aug 2017
5659 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 12:10 pm to
I don’t feel bad what happened to that black dude on American history X involve the curb
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
35244 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 12:10 pm to
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And started the spending spree.


More so than what we spent on WWII itself during the war? What we spend on defense today (including the time immediately after WWII) pails in comparison to what we were spending during WWII (As a percent of GDP). Project that cost out over several more years of a protracted ground war in Japan (including post war occupation).



Sounds like you don't have a problem with the bomb per se, you have a problem with the military industrial complex (to quote Eisenhour)

Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
7785 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 12:14 pm to
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If it wasn’t about slavery, then do you think the civil war still happens that year if slavery in the US never existed?


Damn near happened in the 1820s during the Jackson presidency and the Nullification Crisis. Jackson wanted massive tariffs to protect burgeoning northeastern industry. SC said no, and that they were going to maintain their shipping and trade with France and the UK.
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