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re: What’s an American history hot take you’ve got?

Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:15 am to
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11747 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:15 am to
The world would be better if we stayed out of WW1.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
22192 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:16 am to
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The US should have joined the UK and what’s left of Germany to steamroll the Soviets after WW2, starting with atomic bombing Moscow even though their leadership is there. The US don’t negotiate with terrorists.

No Soviets means no North Korea, no North Vietnam, no Chinese nuclear weapons because the Ruskies shared it with them, no Pakistani or Indian nuclear weapons. The world may have been too peaceful afterwards.

Hell I would go one step forward and ignored the Brits and just joined Germany to take the Soviets out. The Soviets only stood a chance because of US backing during the entire war.


I see this take a lot.

I always wonder who takes over/occupies Russia? Wouldn't that just create a MASSIVE power vacuum?

Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
198019 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:17 am to
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The Russians were more instrumental in the Allies defeating the Axis than the United States.
WRONG ,, thats liberal ,commie rewriting of history,
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
7786 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:18 am to
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The US should have joined the UK and what’s left of Germany to steamroll the Soviets after WW2, starting with atomic bombing Moscow even though their leadership is there. The US don’t negotiate with terrorists.


I'll go one further. The US and UK fought on the wrong side. We should have joined with the Germans in their conflict against the communists. The Soviet Union was legitimately the greater evil, both at the time leading up to '39, and for sure in the years afterwards. Nothing was gained or preserved in defeating the Germans, except creating a vacuum that paved the way for the EU.

People said this at the time of the conflict, but more importantly, people such as Patton understood it once it was over. Which is why he had to be killed.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
22192 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:19 am to
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succession.


Secession*
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
38460 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:19 am to
Invading the West Coast or even Hawaii was never part of Yamamoto's plan.....hunting licenses had nothing to do with his cslculations.
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
198019 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:21 am to
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I always wonder who takes over/occupies Russia? Wouldn't that just create a MASSIVE power vacuum?

well whats left of the WhiteRussians would have assumed control of Russia.. Poland would be Poliish,, Ukraine,, Ukrainians

I think a big part of the reason that the Allies let the Soviets take the Eastern Bloc is that if there had not been a military force in what was then Chezloslovakia the Balkans all that part of the world, the fighting would have continued and America didn't want to do it
Britain and France had nothing left

Had this morning I mean plenty of people knew it was going to be a problem That's why Patton was saying what he was saying but there just was not the will, not just to fight the Soviets but also to have to go down there into the Balkans and fix all that shite which caused World War One and had been settled

Still isn't
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 8:26 am
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
38460 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:21 am to
.....or, if the Allied Powers were allowed to march into Germany and affect an unconditional surrender.
Posted by tigerinexile
The greatest parish
Member since Sep 2004
1701 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:22 am to
JFK was killed by a collection of criminals led by Prescott Bush. JFK jr was killed so he would not get in the way of a woman who desperately wanted to be a senator.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
7786 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:29 am to
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JFK jr was killed so he would not get in the way of a woman who desperately wanted to be a senator.


I've heard this argument, and I'm sympathetic to it, but I need a little more evidence to see the plot behind it. Several pilots I knew said, at the time, that JFKJr took unnecessary risks in bad weather, and many an inexperienced civil pilot has gotten themselves killed in this way.

Was it fortuitous for HillDawg that JFKjr wasn't in her way for that NY senate seat? 100% Do I think she was ultimately responsible for his death? No, but I'm open to hearing the argument.

I'm more likely to believe that the family itself was overwhelmingly cursed, and that Joe Kennedy Sr made an ugly deal with Power.
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
19630 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:30 am to
The Rosa Parks story was a photo op / set up.
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
11437 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:31 am to
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I don’t feel bad at all for what happened to the Indians. They fricked around, they found out.


When you see lists of Indian Tribes that used to inhabit any certain spot in the stolen land arguments, like when they say Chicago, former homeland of group 1, group 2, group 3, etc.

People like to paint the US as the bad guys in that argument, but in the long run, hundreds or 1,000s of years from now, we’ll just be group 4 on that list and some other group will be the bad guys.
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 8:32 am
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
7786 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:32 am to
One more for the road:

We fought war in Afghanistan specifically to secure the poppy/opium trade. The Taliban had largely destroyed the opium crop, and we came in to prop it up. This directly led to the rise of the opioid crisis, and enriched Purdue Pharma and the Sackler family, directly at the expense of people in Applachia. We're still, as a society, paying for this mistake, while none of the evil Sacklers are hung or in prison.

You don't have Fentanyl and that shite destroying towns and cities across the country without securing the Afghan poppy fields 20 years ago.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78006 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:33 am to
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Ashli Babbitt fafo
Ashli Babbitt 100% FAFO

That doesn’t make all the rest of the post-Jan 6 stuff legit. The vast, vast majority of the response by the progressives and Biden administration was bullshite.

Babbitt definitely suffered the consequence of poor choices.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
141130 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:34 am to
Democrats and Republicans fight on TV, then go to Capital Grill and have dinner on my dime every night.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42668 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:35 am to
Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR and LBJ are the 5 Presidents most responsible for the massive federal leviathan we have today.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Member since Jun 2004
198019 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:37 am to
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The Rosa Parks story was a photo op / set up.
no shite

The sun rises in the east sets in the west

It cracks me up when people come in with this like it hasn't been known since the incident itself took place and people come here acting like they've learned a secret of history

Everybody knew what was set up at the time. There had been previous attempts to get media attention on the issue; there was still segregated bussing in Birmingham That's a historical fact

Posted by BitBuster
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2017
1971 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:37 am to
Alexandria should have been the capital of Louisiana. LSU should have stayed there.

The Mississippi River should have been allowed to flow naturally through the Atchafalaya.

Morgan City becomes our major port city.

Krotz Springs becomes like Baton Rouge

New Orleans becomes like Mobile or Biloxi.

Baton Rouge becomes Hammond

Key infrastructure and politics are centrally located and less succeptable to hurricanes.

I-12 connects all the way through Alexandria.

Monkey's paw? Alexandria looks the same as today.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71188 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:39 am to
Electing Wilson over Teddy caused most of the 20th century’s problems. The rest were caused by Lyndon Johnson.

The New Deal lengthened and worsened the Great Depression on purpose in order to slowly creep towards authoritarian socialism.

FDR paid Huey’s bodyguards to kill him. The alleged assassin was a patsy. If Huey had survived, he would have been elected, and he would have gone down in history as memorably as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.

The Spanish Flu was the first plandemic.

Lincoln was a tyrant who had a vision for an Imperial USA and used the war to centralize executive and federal power to make an American empire possible.

The deep state killed all 3 Kennedys, MLK Jr, Malcom X, Seth Rich, and tried to kill Reagan (but ultimately got what they needed out of him via his VP essentially running the show after Reagan survived). They also manufactured Watergate to sideline Nixon.

Clinton and Bush Sr were in league with the CIA smuggling drugs and guns from and to Latin America, helping to fuel the crack epidemic in the inner cities in the late 80’s/early 90’s.

We should have annexed northern Mexico after the Mexican American War, Cuba after the Spanish American War, and the Philippines after WW2.

We never should have moved to direct election of senators. Them being appointed by and subject to being recalled by state Senators was a critical check and balance on federal power which has been removed to our detriment.

School desegregation in k-12 largely failed nationally.

State borders were drawn nearly as arbitrarily as borders in the Middle East and Africa, and this should be revisited in some way.
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106059 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:39 am to
The Texas Patriots were a bunch of amateur dumbasses who got their asses repeatedly kicked by Santa Ana until the United States intervened. Sam Houston's army at San Jacinto was mostly the US 2nd Infantry Regiment which had been allowed to temporarily "Resign" and cross the river.
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 8:50 am
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