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Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:32 am to Grim
Jesus knew what was up
Even Jesus, the one who gave his life for us knew that a person who can, should work and help those who can not provide for themselves.
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Ephesians 4:28
Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need
Even Jesus, the one who gave his life for us knew that a person who can, should work and help those who can not provide for themselves.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:33 am to East Coast Band
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In today's world, he absolutely would have been a liberal, except for the abortion thing.
conservative Christians can spin it as they may.
I don't think Jesus would advocate the state taking money by force for the purpose of redistribution.
He would advocate generosity and forgiveness, but only in fantasy land are those liberal tenets.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:34 am to CaptainsWafer
Tough to say I think he'd be financially liberal and socially conservative. It would vary situation to situation though.
Mostly he would not concern himself with the government too much. He seemed more focused on every individual worshiping god and making the best of their individual situation.
Mostly he would not concern himself with the government too much. He seemed more focused on every individual worshiping god and making the best of their individual situation.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:34 am to Grim
People say "well, he wouldn't give anything to those low-life leaches living on welfare" when actually he was helping precisely those types of people. The ones that Fox news fans love to hate. The ones who were diseased, unfortunate, and popular to see as leaches on society.
I'm not religious either, but there is hypocrisy in spades on this issue. Exactly why rich churches and rich preachers and such make me sick. But I guess the Holy Spirit doesn't like to hang out in cheap rooms.
I'm not religious either, but there is hypocrisy in spades on this issue. Exactly why rich churches and rich preachers and such make me sick. But I guess the Holy Spirit doesn't like to hang out in cheap rooms.
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 9:36 am
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:37 am to Grim
Jesus was anti control and believed in the good will of people. He faced oppression by the sword and gave life a since of purpose for those in need.. It's no coincidence that one the first apostles he sought was a tax collector. He didn't seem to care about government and wasn't advocating for any specific organizational group but simply wanted man to change and believe in the inner goodness of man.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:37 am to ColeCoushCoush
quote:You get the award for dumbest poster of the day for sure. Please post the part where that part said he was quoting Jesus. I bet you feel pretty stupid.
Does every OT biblical scholar in here really thing this is a quote from Jesus? Why don't you just go ahead an attribute "trickle down economics" to Jesus too? That's quicker and more to the point you're trying to make, and it's no more ignorant than the false attribution you're already using.
EDIT: I mean, in the bible, Jesus LITERALLY GAVE PEOPLE FISH TO FEED THEM FOR A DAY! It's dumbfounding just how wrong you guys are being in order to justify your "conservative Christian" reading of the bible.
quote:Now post the verse where it says Jesus did this endlessly. Jesus hated sin. Jesus demanded love and forgiveness. Jesus doesn't give a akdjf about government or economics or all that stupid stuff you people want. Jesus was concerned about people dying and going to hell. He searched for workers who would help him spread the message of salvation to get people saved. Once again, Jesus doesn't give a lkjlkmaalj about liberalism, socialism, or conservatism.
Jesus LITERALLY GAVE PEOPLE FISH TO FEED THEM FOR A DAY! I
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:37 am to undrafted
I honestly can't tell who's being serious and who's trolling in this thread.
First, did Jesus ever say anything about gays or getting stoned (weed, not actual stones)?
Second, why is anyone quoting Paul if we're taking about Jesus?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:39 am to Grim
I would laugh and start a new conversation. I don't like talking politics or religion, why the hell would I talk about both at the same time?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:42 am to TROLA
Read the fricking Bible dipshit. Jesus hated campaign-finance-reform, progressive tax forms and high-waisted skirts on hot chicks.
He loved recreational pot, guns and Wilco. If you don't listen to Wilco, you're going to hell.
He loved recreational pot, guns and Wilco. If you don't listen to Wilco, you're going to hell.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:42 am to The_Velour_Fog
And, I'll just say this. Classical Conservatism and the teachings of Jesus are very similar.
No, not current conservatism. Real Conservatism.
There are hardly any conservatives in today's society. They are all liberal or just confused, probably both.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:43 am to panterica
I'm not in favor of justifying any public policies based on scripture. After all, last I checked, Jews, Muslims, atheists, and pagans were all allowed to vote in this country too, so it doesn't seem smart to try to govern based on the words of a religious figure that many Americans don't even identify with.
But, with that said, it's pretty rare for liberals to try to make their points by claiming that Jesus would support them. However, the Christian right LOVES to claim religion as the reasoning behind many of their policies from denying marriage equality to gay people, to banning abortions, and many other things. So, I think it's perfectly fair to say that if you want to impose those religious principles on people with the force of law, why is helping the poor suddenly the exception? If you think your personal interpretation of religion is a good reason to keep gay people from marrying or to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body, then you're a fricking idiot and hypocrite if you think it's wrong to apply that same principle to helping the needy.
But, with that said, it's pretty rare for liberals to try to make their points by claiming that Jesus would support them. However, the Christian right LOVES to claim religion as the reasoning behind many of their policies from denying marriage equality to gay people, to banning abortions, and many other things. So, I think it's perfectly fair to say that if you want to impose those religious principles on people with the force of law, why is helping the poor suddenly the exception? If you think your personal interpretation of religion is a good reason to keep gay people from marrying or to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body, then you're a fricking idiot and hypocrite if you think it's wrong to apply that same principle to helping the needy.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:44 am to ColeCoushCoush
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After all, last I checked, Jews, Muslims, atheists, and pagans were all allowed to vote in this country
Sweet Buddhist trigger, Shitlord.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:46 am to ColeCoushCoush
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Jesus Christ! (No pun intended.)
Does every OT biblical scholar in here really thing this is a quote from Jesus?
I never said it came from Jesus. It is a much better philsophy than just giving someone a fish. What is better to spend money giving ppl things or spend money teaching them how to work so they can get things for themselves?
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EDIT: I mean, in the bible, Jesus LITERALLY GAVE PEOPLE FISH TO FEED THEM FOR A DAY! It's dumbfounding just how wrong you guys are being in order to justify your "conservative Christian" reading of the bible.
If you think Jesus would have been a socialist, you do not know much about Jesus's life. Socialism can not be possible without mass murder, theft, lying, and most socialist nations have been athetist. Jesus might have agreed with the principle behind socialism, but he would have condemned the practice. You liberals would be wise to actually look a 100 years worth of evidence of the practice of socialism and then ask if Jesus would have supported it. Would Jesus support work camps? Would Jesus support massive property theft? Would Jesus support slave (forced) labor? Would Jesus support massive disinformation campaigns by state run media?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:47 am to Grim
First, I would say I don't care because I'm not a believer.
Second, I would add that even if he was real we can't really be sure what he would have said because all we have are the stories by people who lived 70-90 years later, so they're probably pretty garbled.
Third, just as with any religion you can find support for just about any belief. Jesus had his judgemental moments too, after all.
Therefore, anyone who thinks he's making a serious point with this line of reasoning is a moron and should just GTFO.
Second, I would add that even if he was real we can't really be sure what he would have said because all we have are the stories by people who lived 70-90 years later, so they're probably pretty garbled.
Third, just as with any religion you can find support for just about any belief. Jesus had his judgemental moments too, after all.
Therefore, anyone who thinks he's making a serious point with this line of reasoning is a moron and should just GTFO.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:47 am to panterica
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People say "well, he wouldn't give anything to those low-life leaches living on welfare" when actually he was helping precisely those types of people. The ones that Fox news fans love to hate. The ones who were diseased, unfortunate, and popular to see as leaches on society.
Are you dumb? Fox News fans don't want to give their money to the government and watch the government write checks to people who've been dead for 40 years. Or watch the government give money to people who've been dependent on government for 40 years. Or watch the government spend the money on a grant to find out why prisoners dislike prison.
Conservatives give at levels similar/equal/exceeding liberals. They just don't want to give it to morons, at the threat of criminal prosecution, who show time and time again they can't be trusted with it.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:48 am to SabiDojo
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There are hardly any conservatives in today's society. They are all liberal or just confused, probably both.
I gotta side with you on that one. Any true political conservative is seen as a whacko and beat out of the primaries by whoever says 'praise the soldiers, keep Christ in Christmas, god belongs in school, blah blah science is witchcraft' enough times in a row.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:50 am to Grim
those people are complete dumbasses and most likely are not believers in Christ.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:53 am to Grim
I say that charity is only charity when it comes from the heart. It is not what is given, but the love with which it is given. Look in the New Testament. Time and time again, Jesus chastises the wealthy who give to make themselves feel better or to look good for other people. Who he applauds are those who give what little they can because it comes from a place of love. The last thing Jesus was advocating for was mandatory charity. He was preaching creating a culture of giving, where people do so because they want to, because they love others. Not because their government or church forces them to.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:55 am to Pettifogger
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Are you dumb? Fox News fans don't want to give their money to the government and watch the government write checks to people who've been dead for 40 years. Or watch the government give money to people who've been dependent on government for 40 years.
I don't either. I wish the government was less than half the size it is now. But the problem is that they want you to believe that those demographics are taking the majority of your tax money. Those examples are such a tiny minority and tiny part of the budget that they're virtually nothing compared to military spending for example. But God forbid that actuality is ever mentioned. All I'm saying is that it's a poorly defined issue that is more of a distraction technique than a real problem. It's a way to get people riled up and sold into the red team versus blue team.
Truly lazy leachers are garbage, but they're blown entirely out of proportion.
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