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re: What is your response when someone says Jesus would've been a liberal/socialist?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:58 am to ColeCoushCoush
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:58 am to ColeCoushCoush
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give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime
Don't forget his other famous quotes:
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God helps those who helps themselves
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early bird gets the worm
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the only things certain are death and taxes
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Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:00 am to kingbob
How many people would believe me if I said one day there will be a soul harvest for the Lord on the OT?
:ITS HAPPENING:
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Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:00 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Ephesians 4:28 Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need
Jesus did not say that. That was Paul.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:01 am to The_Velour_Fog
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First, did Jesus ever say anything about gays or getting stoned (weed, not actual stones)?
No. Nor did he ever talk about abortion.
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Second, why is anyone quoting Paul if we're taking about Jesus?
Bingo.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:03 am to JudgeHolden
My favorite quote from Jesus is:
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Ain't no party like a West Coast party cuz a West Coast party don't stop.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:04 am to SabiDojo
Matthew 19
The Rich and the Kingdom of God
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
The Rich and the Kingdom of God
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:04 am to arcalades
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Jesus was concerned about people dying and going to hell. He searched for workers who would help him spread the message of salvation to get people saved.
Not to get into a theological lesson here but you may be interested in learning about how the word hell has been misunderstood and Jesus's teachings misinterpreted. Here is one of many articles on the subject: LINK
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:07 am to JudgeHolden
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:07 am to ColeCoushCoush
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I'm not in favor of justifying any public policies based on scripture. After all, last I checked, Jews, Muslims, atheists, and pagans were all allowed to vote in this country too, so it doesn't seem smart to try to govern based on the words of a religious figure that many Americans don't even identify with.
agreed
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But, with that said, it's pretty rare for liberals to try to make their points by claiming that Jesus would support them. However, the Christian right LOVES to claim religion as the reasoning behind many of their policies from denying marriage equality to gay people, to banning abortions, and many other things. So, I think it's perfectly fair to say that if you want to impose those religious principles on people with the force of law, why is helping the poor suddenly the exception? If you think your personal interpretation of religion is a good reason to keep gay people from marrying or to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body, then you're a fricking idiot and hypocrite if you think it's wrong to apply that same principle to helping the needy.
Jesus wanted ppl to help the poor. He would prefer me giving X amount of dollars to charity Y instead of the government taking X dollars from me, paying government employees that watch porn on the job and take 20 smoke breaks/day, funding solar panel companies that go bankrupt, wasting it on a fighter jet that is not needed, etc and then giving whatever is left over to charity. No matter how you want to spin it, capitalism puts money into ppls pockets and then ppl can distribute that money to the poor better than a socialist government can. Just look at the condition of the poor in the US vs the poor in Cuba, North Korea, China, Venezuela or the USSR (when it existed).
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:08 am to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:08 am to wadewilson
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"Well, he was the savior of mankind and we put him on a cross. You're a douchebag that nobody likes, what do you think we're gonna do to you?"
EPIC.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:10 am to East Coast Band
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In today's world, he absolutely would have been a liberal, except for the abortion thing.
conservative Christians can spin it as they may.
"Except for the abortion thing"
Yeah, dude, except for the MAIN PART of liberalism, Jesus would be a liberal!
That's some seriously bad logic.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:13 am to panterica
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I don't either. I wish the government was less than half the size it is now. But the problem is that they want you to believe that those demographics are taking the majority of your tax money. Those examples are such a tiny minority and tiny part of the budget that they're virtually nothing compared to military spending for example. But God forbid that actuality is ever mentioned. All I'm saying is that it's a poorly defined issue that is more of a distraction technique than a real problem. It's a way to get people riled up and sold into the red team versus blue team.
I'm sure this happens but I think you underestimate the number of conservatives (even obnoxious ones) who recognize more than just a demographic drain. Social security and medicare have been absolutely run into the ground, and as a result, it's a gigantic weight around our necks. That's not limited to one demographic. But yes, the poor are predominantly dependent on government, which is a double loss for the country. The first obviously in that we devote resources to them that could go elsewhere, the second in that they're not helping us build infrastructure or innovate or anything else of value.
Your point about military spending is notable, but again, plenty of conservatives are on board with you there, especially today.
I agree with you that demonization exists, but I would also assert that the demonization is based in reality. I would add that government itself is a problem, in that we employ thousands and thousands of employees who could easily be replaced. Government employment, in many respects, is welfare. Which is especially frustrating in the circumstance in which you are helping to pay the salary of someone who is totally uninterested in your concern (or is actively trying to screw you).
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:14 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Ephesians 4:28
Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need
Might be Racist if interpreted by an SJW.
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 10:45 am
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:15 am to Grim
Jesus didn't take money from people at gun point or with the threat of jail time.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:16 am to foshizzle
Actually much of the new testament was written shortly after (less than 40 years) his death by people that personally knew him.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:17 am to Grim
What is my response when someone says Jesus would've been a liberal?
I say that he was the greatest liberal to ever roam this earth. He lived his belief in love, justice and care for the poor. Jesus however did not look to the state to solve man's problems. He wanted individuals to care for the poor.sick, and hungry.
There is nothing wrong with being liberal as long as one does not use those views to take power. The trouble with liberals today is that they want the rest of us to make the sacrifices while they do not. It is about power not care for others.
It gripes me to no end that "environmentalists" like Prince Charles, Al Gore and Hollywood stars want to limit our carbon footprints while they travel the world in private jets and have swimming pools in every huge home. It's hypocritical.
Jesus gave up everything for us. He gave the ultimate. He talked the talk and walked the walk.
I say that he was the greatest liberal to ever roam this earth. He lived his belief in love, justice and care for the poor. Jesus however did not look to the state to solve man's problems. He wanted individuals to care for the poor.sick, and hungry.
There is nothing wrong with being liberal as long as one does not use those views to take power. The trouble with liberals today is that they want the rest of us to make the sacrifices while they do not. It is about power not care for others.
It gripes me to no end that "environmentalists" like Prince Charles, Al Gore and Hollywood stars want to limit our carbon footprints while they travel the world in private jets and have swimming pools in every huge home. It's hypocritical.
Jesus gave up everything for us. He gave the ultimate. He talked the talk and walked the walk.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:20 am to TJRibMe
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Posted by TJRibMe
What said /thread.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:21 am to JudgeHolden
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Jesus did not say that. That was Paul
My bad. Obviously im in way over my head with this but I don't believe those that needed charity then can be compared to many of those that receive it now.
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