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re: What is wrong with modern dentistry?
Posted on 3/9/19 at 8:17 am to Evil Little Thing
Posted on 3/9/19 at 8:17 am to Evil Little Thing
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Bowling Dental.
tell him you know SFP from TD next time you go
Posted on 3/9/19 at 8:18 am to Gris Gris
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Some years ago, I had to go to a different dentist for a root canal. I switched to a more modern practice. My current dentist does all of what you mentioned and is now doing implants as well
I guarantee you he is not doing root canals as well as an endodontost and not doing implants as well as an oral surgeon or periodontist. Maybe acceptable, but not perfection. Higher fail rate for sure.
Another reason for the growing trend of sending complex cases to specialists is the litigious society we’ve become. Jump back 40 years and a general dentist with a 90% success rate on root canals was doing pretty good. Today with endodontists, perfection is virtually the norm. If you’re a bit short of the apex, you may get sued for not referring the case. Higher standard of care.
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There should be requirements that everything must be disclosed and agreed upon before the first needle hits your gums unless an emergency happens
There is. Informed consent is the standard.
This post was edited on 3/9/19 at 8:21 am
Posted on 3/9/19 at 8:37 am to Salamander_Wilson
Man this thread is full of ignorance. I love when people on here believe they know how a profession works or should work, yet they have no clue. This is just like the deep cleaning thread last week that was full of opinions that were completely wrong.
I would never tx plan something that doesn’t need to be done unless it’s aesthetic work that the patient talks to me about. Just because you aren’t in pain with a tooth ache doesn’t mean there isn’t things that need to be addressed. Similar to your body as a whole. If your doctor tells you that you have high blood pressure etc but you don’t feel bad are you going to tell him you don’t believe him? If you think dentists make a ton of money “just doing cleanings and fillings” wrong again. The “business classes” in dental school are non existent. Just a few things off the top of my head.
I would never tx plan something that doesn’t need to be done unless it’s aesthetic work that the patient talks to me about. Just because you aren’t in pain with a tooth ache doesn’t mean there isn’t things that need to be addressed. Similar to your body as a whole. If your doctor tells you that you have high blood pressure etc but you don’t feel bad are you going to tell him you don’t believe him? If you think dentists make a ton of money “just doing cleanings and fillings” wrong again. The “business classes” in dental school are non existent. Just a few things off the top of my head.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 8:51 am to Vinny V
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Vinny V
Thank you Vinny V. Right on brother.
I love when people say “I’ve never had a cavity before! No way I can have one now!”
Not one of these idiots here’s would say “no way I have high blood pressure! I’ve never had it before!” Or “no way I need cholesterol medication! It’s always been great!” Yet this seems to permeate this thread. I guess it’s a big racket with big pharma to get people on BP and cholesterol medications. But then again, I’m sure there really are people on here who think this too.
Secondly, many general dentists are great at what they do. Many general dentists do their own implants, roots canals, and third molar extractions. I’ve seen plenty of general dentists work that does equal if not better work than specialists can do. The the idiots on here complaining and saying things like “general dentists should only be cleaning and filling teeth,” you are a fool. There are some general dentists that only feel comfortable doing basic procedures and some enjoy (and are known for) doing more complex procedures. I can’t stand hearing people say things like “you need a surgeon to do xyz.” That is true mark of ignorance.
You all have proved that your tough and wise on the keyboard but really don’t know shite. Please save it.
I won’t even get into the “wam bam thank you ma’am” that someone mentioned. There’s not enough time to discuss insurance companies fricking us over.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 8:53 am to TigrrrDad
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Another reason for the growing trend of sending complex cases to specialists is the litigious society we’ve become
I've never heard of anyone suing a dentist.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 8:53 am to Vinny V
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Vinny V
What's the cost of the material used to do a crown?
Posted on 3/9/19 at 8:58 am to diat150
I’ll answer it.
A good lab charges about $130-150 lab fees for the crown. An in-network PPO may reimburse the DDS $750 if he’s lucky. The appointment is usually split over 2 visits that are 60 minutes/appt.
So the profit is about $550-600 divided over 2 hours leaving about $300 profit at maximum.
You guys talk about rackets, insurance and reimbursement is the racket.
A good lab charges about $130-150 lab fees for the crown. An in-network PPO may reimburse the DDS $750 if he’s lucky. The appointment is usually split over 2 visits that are 60 minutes/appt.
So the profit is about $550-600 divided over 2 hours leaving about $300 profit at maximum.
You guys talk about rackets, insurance and reimbursement is the racket.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 9:00 am to BulldogXero
It is notes. They don't take good notes.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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tell him you know SFP from TD next time you go
He’s the first person to ever ask if I’m ELT on TD. It was funny. Small world!
Posted on 3/9/19 at 9:35 am to BulldogXero
What I don't understand is why they fix a cavity the same way they did 50 years ago...probably 70 years ago. Oh they fill it with something different, but can't they come up with something more technologically advanced than a drill?
Posted on 3/9/19 at 10:00 am to lesgeaux
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Those crown machines you reference are roughly $150,000 up front and a service fee of a few thousand per month
Are you a dentist? While you are right about the upfront cost of the crown technology, you are absolutely wrong about the monthly service fees of a few thousand per month.
In reality, what these machines do is allow you to provide same day service for your patients and fix your lab expenses for the month. Used appropriately, buying this technology is actually less expensive than doing it the old fashioned two visit way, despite the upfront costs.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 10:05 am to Overbrook
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What I don't understand is why they fix a cavity the same way they did 50 years ago...probably 70 years ago.
Do you even laser bro!?
Hard tissue lasers can allow the dentist to prepare a tooth for a filling without getting numb. The main drawback is the cost of the laser, anything from $60-140K.
Compare that to the tradition method of preparing a cavity, getting numb and using a traditional hand piece that costs $900. Are you willing to pay substantially more to have your filling without anesthesia?
Posted on 3/9/19 at 10:07 am to BulldogXero
I think I have a good dentist, only recently started. I hadn't been in awhile, he only recommended fixing what I knew needed fixing.
I am impressed by the office setup they have now, have specific skill levels among the staff and only apply the right-costed hours to everything.
kind of like fitting aircraft of different sizes to routes
I am impressed by the office setup they have now, have specific skill levels among the staff and only apply the right-costed hours to everything.
kind of like fitting aircraft of different sizes to routes
Posted on 3/9/19 at 10:08 am to BulldogXero
My parents didn't give me much. I'm average height, not great looking, first-sub-off-the-bench-in-high-school athletic, thinning hair, and normal intelligence.
However, I hit the fricking jackpot with my teeth. Not a single thing ever done to them. My gf has been having teeth issues for the last 6 months and sometimes she gets nauseous from the pain. It sounds horrible.
However, I hit the fricking jackpot with my teeth. Not a single thing ever done to them. My gf has been having teeth issues for the last 6 months and sometimes she gets nauseous from the pain. It sounds horrible.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 10:12 am to BulldogXero
You need a new dentist. I've had the same dentist since I was 17 and he has done a root canal, pulled my wisdom teeth, and does my annual cleanings and such.
Sounds like yours either doesn't know what he is doing or is in cahoots with these other guys to get kickbacks and such where they all make a bunch of money off poor saps like you.
Sounds like yours either doesn't know what he is doing or is in cahoots with these other guys to get kickbacks and such where they all make a bunch of money off poor saps like you.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 10:15 am to LSUtwolves
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The problem is that dentists look at their profession as a business first and foremost. They actually build in business school classes into dentist school.
This is complete and utter horseshite. My fiancée is a dentist, is finishing up a Prosthodontics residency, and one thing they don't get much training on is the stuff on running private practices. They have financial reps come in every so often to give lectures, purely optional attendance, and sometimes they get info if they go to one of the big meetings held throughout the year but their certainly isn't much built-in to the standard curriculum. You think a group of MD's aren't thinking about high profits when setting up their practice? Why is there a Lamborghini and 911 GT often parked the plastic sugery center down the road? "MDs usually don't work or think this way." bullshite....
Posted on 3/9/19 at 10:22 am to Overbrook
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What I don't understand is why they fix a cavity the same way they did 50 years ago...probably 70 years ago. Oh they fill it with something different, but can't they come up with something more technologically advanced than a drill?
They actually don't but you, like the vast majority here, have no clue. If you knew about cavities, tooth structure, and how fillings work then you'd know why. It's not just drilling a hole, it has to be shaped in a precise way as to provide mechanical retention and deal with the forces exterted on it while you're stuffing your face with food.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 10:59 am to Malefic Runt
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Theyve become the used car salesman of the medical world. The last five or so times ive been theyve tried to sell me on some $2000 worth of BS i didnt know i needed and pushed some finance company on me
I’m a dentist and I agree with this statement. It’s embarrassing what the profession has become. There’s still a few good ones out there. But sooner or later the corporate clinics will put us all out of business.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 11:07 am to BulldogXero
I’ll never have a regular dentist do a root canal.
Had to have 2 root canals on two different teeth redone because the dentist that did the original wasn’t able to completely get down to the root...so it got infected again later on. Guy was a great general dentist.....but should have referred me to an endodontist.
My current dentist saw the problems with my old root canal and referred me to an endodontist. He told me he would rather the experts do root canals for his patients and not him. Apparently I have really deep roots and this is why the original dentist didn’t do a complete job.
Had to have 2 root canals on two different teeth redone because the dentist that did the original wasn’t able to completely get down to the root...so it got infected again later on. Guy was a great general dentist.....but should have referred me to an endodontist.
My current dentist saw the problems with my old root canal and referred me to an endodontist. He told me he would rather the experts do root canals for his patients and not him. Apparently I have really deep roots and this is why the original dentist didn’t do a complete job.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 11:29 am to lsunurse
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I’ll never have a regular dentist do a root canal.
I do my fair share of root canals and also refer to a wonderful endodontist in town. She is compassionate and technically accomplished in her field and her results are outstanding.
From time to time, even her work fails and has to be redone or tooth has to be removed and replaced. The fact is, that root canal systems are very complex and variable patient to patient. This accounts for some of the failures that we see. The other factor is patients ability to heal varies as well.
In my practice, I see teeth with root canals that look perfect, yet they fail and other times see work that I would not be proud of heal perfectly and the patient has no complaints and can function perfectly.
If you don't trust your dentist to do your tooth canals, that is certainly reasonable. What you need to consider is general dentist do 90% of the root canals currently, and if they stopped doing them due to patient preference, the endodontists could not handle the demand.
If you had been up all night with a tooth ache, I would bet you would allow a general dentist treat you immediately verses a wait that would be weeks at best.
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