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re: What is the largest city that didn’t buckle to the anti-confederate trends?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 2:46 pm to justaniceguy
Posted on 4/18/25 at 2:46 pm to justaniceguy
My city still has their monument up and their flag on the city crest. 30k people.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 2:48 pm to justaniceguy
Not every statue of a person who was in the confederacy should be strictly considered a Confederate Statue.
Some people were exceptional and were greatly admired for various personal characteristics. It’s times of conflict that allow some of those traits to shine, despite the disputes over the central issues of the conflict.
Slavery, a practice that has been around since the dawn of humanity, is anathema in a time of equality of humanity (thank you Christians) and a civil and peaceful society. For that reason, we should all celebrate the fact that the Confederacy was defeated!
It’s simply ignorance of history to think that other factors weren’t at play in the Civil War, not least of which is the notion of state’s sovereignty which was the prevailing assumption at the time of the ratification of the Constitution and even at the time of the Civil War.
Lincoln’s Gettysburg speech, while amazing and visionary, was not well rooted in the Constitution. Or at least we must admit, there was a different idea of the nature of our federal system that rivaled is idea, and the issue had not yet been settled.
So calling the men of the confederacy traitors is as illogical today as it would have been then. Then, it was an idea that was at least matched by the idea that the Union was committing dictatorial dominion without legal or moral authority. To use today’s parlance, they were a hegemonic colonial invader.
Some people were exceptional and were greatly admired for various personal characteristics. It’s times of conflict that allow some of those traits to shine, despite the disputes over the central issues of the conflict.
Slavery, a practice that has been around since the dawn of humanity, is anathema in a time of equality of humanity (thank you Christians) and a civil and peaceful society. For that reason, we should all celebrate the fact that the Confederacy was defeated!
It’s simply ignorance of history to think that other factors weren’t at play in the Civil War, not least of which is the notion of state’s sovereignty which was the prevailing assumption at the time of the ratification of the Constitution and even at the time of the Civil War.
Lincoln’s Gettysburg speech, while amazing and visionary, was not well rooted in the Constitution. Or at least we must admit, there was a different idea of the nature of our federal system that rivaled is idea, and the issue had not yet been settled.
So calling the men of the confederacy traitors is as illogical today as it would have been then. Then, it was an idea that was at least matched by the idea that the Union was committing dictatorial dominion without legal or moral authority. To use today’s parlance, they were a hegemonic colonial invader.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 2:56 pm to fr33manator
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Burn down the Alamo?
The Alamo was a rallying point for the side that won.
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Drop some MOABs on Thermopylae?
Same as the Alamo.
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Why do I get the feeling you are Gung-ho for the losers in Gaza
Man, you are jumping to a conclusion there.


Posted on 4/18/25 at 3:23 pm to mdomingue
I see you skipped right over the Indians.
And I'm well aware of the circumstances, but I'm using his parameters.
"The losers must be denigrated and erased from history" is a horrible position to take.
But I don't expect logical consistency from people like him.
The point is, the common soldier did not make the war. So whatever the troublesome circumstances, it doesn't mean that there weren't instances of valor by soldiery, on both sides.
And I'm well aware of the circumstances, but I'm using his parameters.
"The losers must be denigrated and erased from history" is a horrible position to take.
But I don't expect logical consistency from people like him.
The point is, the common soldier did not make the war. So whatever the troublesome circumstances, it doesn't mean that there weren't instances of valor by soldiery, on both sides.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 3:33 pm to justaniceguy
Gettysburg National Park
Posted on 4/18/25 at 3:36 pm to 777Tiger
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Americana
IYKYK Bom Dia!
Posted on 4/18/25 at 3:36 pm to Riverside
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I think Alexandria has kept its Confederate monument in front of the Rapides Parish Courthouse, despite pressure from outside agitators to remove it.
Ellick is good for something?

Posted on 4/18/25 at 3:41 pm to justaniceguy
Bossier Parish, still at the court house
Posted on 4/18/25 at 3:50 pm to Jimbeaux
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So calling the men of the confederacy traitors is as illogical today as it would have been then. Then, it was an idea that was at least matched by the idea that the Union was committing dictatorial dominion without legal or moral authority. To use today’s parlance, they were a hegemonic colonial invader.
When did South Carolina declare secession from the United States of America?
When was Abraham Lincoln's inauguration?
Records would suggest that some states didn't even want to try and find a peaceful resolve to ending America's Original Sin.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:03 pm to No Colors
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Port Gibson, MS.
Where Grant came back across the Mississippi from the west, feinted toward Jackson, and then easily drove west to Vicksburg and encircled it. Grant was a master of logistics to keep his troops supplied in that kind of operation where he crossed into north Louisiana across the Mississippi with no road or rail support. And then was able to lay siege to Vicksburg after crossing back.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:11 pm to justaniceguy
That would be Dogpatch. They still have that statue of Jubilation T. Cornpone up.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:21 pm to nealnan8
Not a large city but last time I went through Carrollton, MS, they were still flying a Confederate flag at their courthouse.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:23 pm to Mason Dixon Swine
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Celebrating traitors should be ridiculed
We celebrate the Founding Fathers...
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:24 pm to fr33manator
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So now do we get to start destroying the monuments to Indians?
We shall conquer the casinos next and make them our own. Rename them from Windriver to something like Bob's Casino and Resort.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:25 pm to justaniceguy
Llano TX still flies stars and bars on courthouse square along with some CSA monuments
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:38 pm to Yaz 8
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So you don’t celebrate the 4th of July?
That is correct. That is the day Vicksburg fell.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:39 pm to McVick
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When did South Carolina declare secession from the United States of America?
When was Abraham Lincoln's inauguration?
Records would suggest that some states didn't even want to try and find a peaceful resolve to ending America's Original Sin.
Yes, the fricking northern ones. They wanted to keep the south subjugated to their economic whims.
The south was where the slaves were, but a lot of Yankees made a lot of money off their efforts.
They spent a good long time virtue signaling about it while that cost them nothing.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:06 pm to McVick
quote:I have always found it interesting that from the early 1800s on as the mercantile and political powers of the west abolished chattel slavery, the United States is the only country that went to war with itself over it. Not coincidentally it is the only one of those powers that conducted slavery on its own soil.
Records would suggest that some states didn't even want to try and find a peaceful resolve to ending America's Original Sin.
as always we should have either picked our own cotton or outsourced it elsewhere
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:07 pm to 777Tiger
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two-shay
Touché but I like your misspelling.
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