re: What do you define as job hopper?

I've been with my company for one year. I have an impressive title and I worked to the bone for my salary. I average 60 hours a week, and I hate my job due to burnout.

I recently did my review, the boss offered a five percent raise and finally paid me the $1000 bonus she gave everyone else in December. The previous manager that quit was promised $2500.

Little did she know, I am sitting on an offer with a 25 percent raise. I start mid June. I don't feel bad at all about hopping jobs.

Every 2-3 years is fine. Every year is a red flag.

I knew two people I considered to be “job hoppers”. One was roughly 30 and had a 6 different jobs in 8 years. All at the same company. I was surprised they let him do that, but he was going across divisions and across the country every move

I ended up working with another guy who was roughly 50 and had at least 20 different jobs at different companies on his resume. His resume had almost no bullet points, just job positions, and went on for two pages. The guy had consistently managed to fall upwards and was a senior SME level engineer being paid bank, while doing work that was being surpassed by entry level engineers. And he was fantastic at gaming the hiring and firing systems. He was honestly terrible at everything in life except getting hired upwards and getting fired with severance or unemployment

OP is a dick though. I left my first job at two years. I was considered a top talent at my job, but saw the writing on the wall with our company and our contract and got out immediately before it imploded. I’m sure other companies threw me out for the same reason

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person is chasing the dollar

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Is that wrong?

I never worked somewhere that we were curing cancer

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It doesn't anymore. There is no more loyalty in the workforce. Why should employees continue to be loyal to employers who always pay outside hires more than they would if they promoted someone internally? Employees have to job hop now to get pay raises.

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This, This, and more This.

I worked in the oil industry. Was loyal to the company the first 5 years, then oil crashed and I saw the company turn from "here everyone is family" to layoff after layoff. If you made any mistake causing an incident, you were fired no matter what you did to prevent or mitigate it. It caused a lot of anxiety within the company and the culture went from being loyal, going above and beyond, and wanting to grow to "I just work here."

For the next 5 years I had constant anxiety of being laid off or fired as a breadwinner. During this term the company went on a bold initiative to improve safety and efficiency. I felt like I was working at a new company every two months as things changed so fast and added duties. Then they consolidated jobs and put even more responsibility and accountability on us with no regard of the well being of their employees.

Then things started to get stable, and positions became available. After 5 years of no promotions, intense pressure and progressive policies being rolled out every day, the company hired people externally for open positions. Now grant it there were a few who were promoted, but can you imagine being an employer, working your employees to near depression, having higher expectations and then when the employee accomplishes them, have even higher expectations - and after all that the employee has been through, a new guy gets hired who is oblivious to our policies and procedures causing the subordinate to hold their hand through the job.

I left that career one month before they cut our pay 25%.

Knock on wood I never will work for a big company again. I witnessed a blood bath/dog eat dog culture and co- workers throwing others under the bus to save their jobs.

Our new business has several employees. We treat them better than they expect to be treated through pay, travel perks, work hours, insurance, and retirement. After more than 3 years in business we have yet to have anyone quit, and our business keeps growing.

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I… umm… I thought the term more meant company changers not literally job changers

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These weren’t direct promotions. He was transferring divisions and doing roles that were minor promotions or just lateral moves

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Changing jobs every 3-5 years is in general an employees best move. I've read studies that say a white collar employee will leave 500k-1mm on the table over the course of a career if they don't change jobs for more pay. Sitting at a job and waiting for an employer to give you a raise for good performance is a fools errand.

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Unless your boss has fast tracked you for upper management this is the answer.

Maximize your learning and productivity for 2.5 years and then start examining your options. The money you are paid is an employer valuation of how you are spending your professional life. If you aren't working for an ethical nonprofit you should adjust your job to maximize your valuation

Over the last 10 years I’ve held 4 jobs in 2 different states. The first to the second and second to third were lateral moves. The fourth was a big time promotion.

Got tired of more responsibility for same pay at job 1. Was there for a year and a half. Job 2 was more of the same, but was there for 3 years. Job 3 was the drizzling shits - worked there for 6 days before sending a 10PM resignation email. Job 4 was a big time upgrade in terms of title, salary, and benefits.

In trucking, it doesn't even matter if a person has had four jobs in a year - the corporates keep hiring them out of desperation. It's sad.

I've been at my job for near 7 years now, thinking about looking for a local line haul gig soon and I don't even know how to properly quit an OTR trucking job.