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re: What are the views of the Pope? Non-Catholic Christians, Non-Christians and Women

Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:09 pm to
Posted by Tigerbait46
Member since Dec 2005
8064 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:09 pm to
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The next big event is the Eastern Orthodox Catholic reunification.



Probably never gonna happen. I just hope we can start celebrating Easter on the same day each year.

I think it's more likely we see Eastern churches breaking ties with one another as tension between Russia and the West grows.

Unofficially, Patriarch Bartholomew (Constantinople) has much greater affinity and kinship with Pope Francis (Rome) than with Patriach Kirill (Moscow).
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
139495 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:15 pm to
It's a religion like many others.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 6:18 pm
Posted by morganwadefan
TN
Member since May 2023
1645 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:34 pm to
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Women
They arent allowed


For some reason, this is the first thing I thought of when I read that:

Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 6:35 pm
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56702 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:36 pm to
The Pope is first among equals.
Posted by Artificial Ignorance
Member since Feb 2025
1424 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:45 pm to
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Catholics, as does everyone else that is Christian knows the story of Adam and Eve.


I know very smart people who believe women have 13-ribs per the story. Just never counted them on a real woman I suppose.

I know other smart people who explain away the inherent incestuous design of this creation story.

My best conclusion: Fear is a powerful
emotion when a child (4-10yo) hears / feels / believes stories that are not real.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 6:46 pm
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
3155 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 7:25 pm to
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convert?
From full-blown atheism to agnosticism, yes.
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"Cradle" Orthodox here and wish we'd let go of the purity fights and insecure chest-thumping.
As do I. Consequently, the least amount of "chest-thumping" I saw in Christianity as an athiest-turned-agnostic was from the Orthodox. They just kept their heads down, and do what they've done, for, for the most part, mellenia. I think you're failing to understand the context: I (a board member) was asked a specific question with everyone else. Stop calling it "chest thumping" when it's people answering an extremely subjective question with extremely subjective answers. Tone down the haughtiness a notch.
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Tradition is alive. It doesn't exist in the past. The holy spirit flows through it. It's not static.
Certainly.
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The church evolves with cultural values.
Unequivocal nonsense. Maybe, maybe, in terms of minor, unsubstantial matters, but evolving with cultural values? That's how you wind up with 100k protestant denominations. Not even the most liberal of Catholic Popes believes in changing scriptural truths with cultural values. Nonsense.
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Overzealous converts projecting their dualistic western minds, brain-dead fundamentalism, odd nostalgia for a fairytale Christian political kingdom, and pedestalized "American Christian values" offer up an incredibly narrow interpretation and practice of what is actually a quite spacious faith.
Inapplicable. See above. Protestantism idealism in my childhood and teen years drove me to atheism for these precise reasons.
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Universalism is well within the bounds of Orthodoxy.

Oh boy. Lots to unpack here on such a profoundly generalized statement. While universalism is a noble, Christian thing to hope for, that even lucifer himself will be redeemed to Christ, for any Christian leader to espouse it — certainly a "vicar" of the largest Christian church in the world— is irresponsible at best. Let's not get it twisted: in no shape, form or fashion is Christian universalism taught in the eastern Orthodox church in any capacity — and spare me the David Bentley Hart quotes. He's a heretic and a proud, proud man who thinks he's smarter than everyone, but a heretic nonetheless. It is a doctrine much more prevalent in the western church. Is it the "Christian" thing to hope even Pol Pot is redeemed? Sure, I guess, but to make such a generalized, borderline deceptive statement about universalism being "well within the bounds of Orthodoxy" is irresponsible at best, and a lie at worst.
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And while political philosophies operate on a different plane than theosis, left-wing politics do not inherently contradict Christian life, particularly when rooted in protecting human rights and fighting oppression.
And now we get to the root of such heretical statements. I smell what you're stepping in now. I'll refute: Gay sex, debauchery, murdering children in the womb, and the left's many other vices trump any shallow, "feel good," do-nothing, ineffective "human rights and oppression" measures when it comes to aligning with Orthodox, Catholic, and mainline protestant Christian truths. Full stop. I'll go even further: They're antithetical and incompatible with Christianity itself,
and it's funny how you - whether intentionally or not (my guess is the former)- by default label everyone not left as not valuing human rights and oppression. In other words, most Christians.
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"Cradle" Orthodox
In my journey from atheism to Orthodoxy over the last 17 years, having dozens upon dozens of cradle Catholics in my family (and as many protestant denominations as a Chinese buffet has breaded chicken), both the former and latter tend to be some of the most average, dull, ill-educated, and complacent uninteresting Christians to ever engage with.

Your borderline, if not definitively, heretical statements and nonsensical admiration of leftists as "human rights advocates and fighters of oppression," coupled with your obvious insults and admonishment of western Christians, and the entire word salad really, has a smell, and it stinks from far away.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 8:41 pm
Posted by LatinTiger30
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
4822 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 7:44 pm to
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The pope is just a man. He shouldn’t be treated like he’s God I've never understood the principal of confessing your sins to a mortal man. No where is this biblical. Especially as flawed as so many of these priest are. As a follower of Christ, I have a direct line to God and His Son, Jesus Christ. I fell out with the Catholic church when Pope Francis came to America in 2015, and lectured us for our indulgences as a rich country. And for not taking care of our poor and homeless. While the Vatican is sitting on 15B in assets. That did it for me.


That's easy to answer. You don't understand the teaching of the Bible. You have made yourself the authority of what to do and not to do. Jesus himself command his people confess their sins to one another. Jesus also inspired the Catholic Church and the gates of hell will never over come it. That's why the Catholic Church remains the true church while hundreds of "churches" have folded. The Catholic Church also compiled the books of the Bible, which the world knows today. If you've heard of Jesus Christ, it's because the Catholic Church. To those who claimed that the Catholic Church is compromised just remember that's why Jesus gave us Judas. Not all his faithful followers is a compromised.
Posted by Snoop Dawg
Member since Sep 2009
2948 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 7:49 pm to
I don’t think he will last long at Kentucky.
Posted by JEC119
Alabama
Member since Apr 2024
2350 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 7:50 pm to
He wears a funny hat and is usually old and is head of the organization that was created to control people to their will. And they don’t seem to care about abusing little boys.

That’s my take and down vote away but you can’t honestly say any of what I said was wrong.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24799 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:18 pm to
I’m Presbyterian, but probably more Anglican at heart. In short, a true 16th century Reformed Catholic.

I want a pope that will strive for ecumenism. One that will offer an olive branch to Protestant denominations who have worked with Catholicism in the past.

On the papacy itself, I agree with the recent Vatican study on it. It got too powerful during the Middle Ages and it never let go. Can you believe your church said that? It did.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
16732 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:21 pm to
Are you a practicing Catholic?
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24799 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:32 pm to
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My best conclusion: Fear is a powerful
emotion when a child (4-10yo) hears / feels / believes stories that are not real.
Is there anything truer than the biblical stories? What book in the history of the world details the inner being of every human like the Biblical library?
Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
7693 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:33 pm to
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I want a pope that will strive for ecumenism. One that will offer an olive branch to Protestant denominations who have worked with Catholicism in the past.


Are you prepared to accept the Real Presence in the Eucharist?

Ecumenism is a tool of the devil.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24799 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:34 pm to
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believes stories that are not real.
This is such an embarrassing definition of “real”.
Sadly, Protestants are largely responsible for the Enlightenment that “taught” us such bull shite theories of knowledge.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122197 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:34 pm to
There are 1.4B people in the world are Catholic.

I think some non Catholics respect the position, but they don't look to him as a leader for them.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24799 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:35 pm to
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Are you prepared to accept the Real Presence in the Eucharist?
Thats my view. Next…
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24799 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:36 pm to
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Ecumenism is a tool of the devil.
You disappoint me. Get your mind out of the Baptist Bible belt that you’re clearly so accustomed to fighting against.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 8:42 pm
Posted by turnpiketiger
Member since May 2020
12265 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:43 pm to
I know that it’s a very important role and I respect it. One of the most significant roles in the world considering how widespread Catholicism is.

Don’t follow the pope close enough to know who was a good one and who was not a good one.

Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
27337 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:50 pm to
He is no closer to or loved more by God than any man waking the earth.
Posted by BigTx
Member since Aug 2021
1615 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:53 pm to
Evil.

The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under veil of flesh" (The Catholic National, July 1895).


Wrong!!!
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 9:01 pm
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