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re: West Baton Rouge going all in with Solar Farms
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:31 pm to member12
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:31 pm to member12
It's supposed to be a free country so I'm not entirely opposed to landowners being free to do what they want with their land.
However, the selling point that this is a "win-win-win" is utter horseshite.
The only people making money off of this are the landowners and the companies selling the panels.
There are several fundamental truths regarding solar panel farms;
-Cost per KWH typically goes up to the end user.
-Panels have a finite lifespan and disposal is not environmentally friendly (typically takes place in undeveloped countries).
-Does not stabilize the grid as it is an intermittent source. IE doesn't support the base power load.
-If it weren't for subsidies, credits, and government kickbacks this wouldn't even be a viable business plan.
Check out this Ted talks from Michael Shellenberger, a reformed environmental activist who managed to get himself deprogrammed.
Youtube
However, the selling point that this is a "win-win-win" is utter horseshite.
The only people making money off of this are the landowners and the companies selling the panels.
There are several fundamental truths regarding solar panel farms;
-Cost per KWH typically goes up to the end user.
-Panels have a finite lifespan and disposal is not environmentally friendly (typically takes place in undeveloped countries).
-Does not stabilize the grid as it is an intermittent source. IE doesn't support the base power load.
-If it weren't for subsidies, credits, and government kickbacks this wouldn't even be a viable business plan.
Check out this Ted talks from Michael Shellenberger, a reformed environmental activist who managed to get himself deprogrammed.
Youtube
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Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:49 pm to tigerinthebueche
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It creates a whopping 1 ( but they said as many as 6) permanent jobs.
How many jobs does that land create right now?
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:52 pm to red sox fan 13
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We aren’t Kansas or some shite
Closer to the equator probably means more direct sun.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:52 pm to fightin tigers
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How many jobs does that land create right now?
More than 1. It's sugar cane.
Don't think solar farms are going to win the economic impact argument. It's definitely not going to beat any real source of energy suitable for base load generation on a kw/acre measure.
Probably better to play the energy independence/security argument.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:05 pm to goofball
Solar has many problems, but is the the sugar industry now going to start complaining about subsidies?
That said, just drive down Hwy. 90 and there appears to be enough fallow rice acres between Lake Charles and Iowa to support a robust solar industry.
That said, just drive down Hwy. 90 and there appears to be enough fallow rice acres between Lake Charles and Iowa to support a robust solar industry.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:06 pm to TDcline
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Lol and that farm is going to add a lot more jobs than 4. It’ll take a dedicated crew 6 months to a year for project completion. That’s a lot of money flowing through the BR area, which Louisiana is honestly not in a position to be choosy about.
The initial construction will provide an estimated 100 temporary jobs to an out of state contractor. The permanent # of employees for the installation is1 person. They threw the six number out there in an attempt to quell that objection.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:14 pm to fightin tigers
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How many jobs does that land create right now?
That land probably generates around 12-20 jobs. They’re all farm jobs so it’s 4-5 local guys with homes and families. The rest are migrant workers. They spend a pretty good bit of money in the local economy. It’s definitely not an argument that supports the solar farm.
About the only thing that supports construction of he solar farm is the argument for the rights of the property owner. There really is no tangible benefit for WBR with the solar farm. And of course, the solar farm’s owner is asking for tax breaks/credits. Don’t know the specifics on those, but I hope it’s not a boondoggle similar to the film industry credits that were supposedly costing the state money.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:34 pm to member12
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Some of this is directly behind homes and an elementary school.
I don't understand this statement. Is there going to be tranny porn broadcast on the solar panels or something?
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Do yall think this is an appropriate use of available dry land in Louisiana?
I think it's appropriate for whatever the hell the property owner wants to put up. If I decided to stop leasing out my land in North La and put up solar panels I can guarantee I would not only not give a single shite what anyone else thought but I would expect them to also not give a single shite.
I haven't looked up the value of "harvesting sunlight" but I can't believe it's all that lucrative as shitloads of farmers aren't flocking to it over normal crops.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:34 pm to member12
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Do yall think this is an appropriate use of available dry land in Louisiana? Some of this is directly behind homes and an elementary school.
You do realize there are a 100 plants from Baton Rouge to New Orleans admitting cancerous shite that poses a much larger danger to the children than some solar panels.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:37 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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So they’ll destroy the land to build a solar farm while the left cheers and high fives each other for saving the environment instead of incentivizing everyone to install their own personal panels.
WBR is the final frontier for unchecked overdevelopment in the greater Baton Rouge metro. There's no place left to bulldoze. If it's not a solar farm it'll be a subdivision. At least solar panels don't make flooding worse.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 10:05 pm to Jim Rockford
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At least solar panels don't make flooding worse.
You sure about that?
Posted on 5/25/21 at 10:18 pm to member12
It’s awful
Posted on 5/25/21 at 10:24 pm to LeGrosChat
These farms are Wall Street investment firms. Any issue about the land is between them and the landowner.
Similar bad decisions were made by landowners in SW LA to be talked into switching from rice to sugar cane. Income was pretty close to the same and the cane effed up the ground to go back to rice. At least this is what a friend with thousands of acres told me and stayed with rice. Still has share croppers farming 10,000+ acres a year
Similar bad decisions were made by landowners in SW LA to be talked into switching from rice to sugar cane. Income was pretty close to the same and the cane effed up the ground to go back to rice. At least this is what a friend with thousands of acres told me and stayed with rice. Still has share croppers farming 10,000+ acres a year
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 5/25/21 at 10:33 pm to member12
Some politician must be making a lot of money on this. There is some shady shite that goes down in WBR.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 10:46 pm to member12
The next hurricane to come through that area will unleash carnage on the poor Port Allen residents if they build a solar farm there.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 10:49 pm to tigerinthebueche
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The initial construction will provide an estimated 100 temporary jobs to an out of state contractor. The permanent # of employees for the installation is1 person. They threw the six number out there in an attempt to quell that objection.
It’s an out of state contractor because there’s about 5 individuals capable of installing solar in the whole state due to net metering backwards laws forcing every solar capable company out of business.
This is likely to be a PPA model, which means that you’ll have all of the staff capable of servicing a solar generating station over the course of 20 to 30 years. You’ll also likely have someone monitoring the production, a service technician on site, a groundskeeper, etc, etc , etc
The other jobs are a law firm who is going to be paid to generate what should be an acceptable RFP, and engineering team to assess the RFP responses and choose the best one, cash flow through the south Louisiana businesses via change orders, logistics of LTL & FTL shipments, there’s already been grounds studies done which paid an in state contractor. That 100 person crew will be eating at a BR area restaurant/s daily. They’ll be sleeping in a BR hotel.
But go ahead, solar is bad. You’re right. Good call. Sounds like you know.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 5/25/21 at 10:59 pm to member12
Yeah I hope the neighborhood doesn’t take a hit and go to shite
Never change OT never change
Never change OT never change
Posted on 5/25/21 at 11:43 pm to SuperSaint
How much of a cut will Sun Electric get?
Posted on 5/26/21 at 12:37 am to TDcline
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It’s an out of state contractor because there’s about 5 individuals capable of installing solar in the whole state due to net metering backwards laws forcing every solar capable company out of business.
This is likely to be a PPA model, which means that you’ll have all of the staff capable of servicing a solar generating station over the course of 20 to 30 years. You’ll also likely have someone monitoring the production, a service technician on site, a groundskeeper, etc, etc , etc
The other jobs are a law firm who is going to be paid to generate what should be an acceptable RFP, and engineering team to assess the RFP responses and choose the best one, cash flow through the south Louisiana businesses via change orders, logistics of LTL & FTL shipments, there’s already been grounds studies done which paid an in state contractor. That 100 person crew will be eating at a BR area restaurant/s daily. They’ll be sleeping in a BR hotel.
But go ahead, solar is bad. You’re right. Good call. Sounds like you know.
Dude there is little to no long term benefit to the local population.
These solar farms are a net loss for the environment. It's a high energy production for a low density energy source. The disposal problems are also real (just like the windmill blades).
The base load is not increased with these intermittent sources as you still have to have other sources for backup when the sun isn't out. And no, there aren't magic battery plants to store the energy either.
These Eco-Hustlers are making a buck by being "green" with the help of the government and your tax dollars. In 20-30 years these farms will be in the scrap heap and the taxpayers money will be gone.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 12:39 am to member12
I drove down the highway to Rosedale last weekend and there's a shite load of them.
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