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Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:35 pm to SaintlyTiger88
WW One
1. Ended Eastern European kingdoms
2. Bolsheviks
3. Ended Ottoman Empire and created the modern Middle East
Essentially, it gave us today's world
1. Ended Eastern European kingdoms
2. Bolsheviks
3. Ended Ottoman Empire and created the modern Middle East
Essentially, it gave us today's world
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:35 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Disco!
WW2 distant 3rd
Also behind Billy Cannon’s Halloween punt return for TD
WW2 distant 3rd
Also behind Billy Cannon’s Halloween punt return for TD
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:45 pm to keks tadpole
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Imagine if France was still populated by the descendants of men who died in WWI
The Germans would have split the atom and walked on the moon decades ahead of the US.
Probably not. As von Braun put it, he needed a "rich uncle" to realize his dreams of space travel, and a Germany that didn't defeat France would probably have never been his "rich uncle".
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:55 pm to Celery
quote:Yep.
I think the invention of the computer/internet or of nuclear weapons or space travel will ultimately have a greater impact on the world.
Now that I think about it, at least two of those things, maybe all, were a direct result of WWII. So, yes WWII was pivotal indeed.
WW2- Nukes, which triggered the space race, which pushed modern computers, which brought the internet.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:02 pm to AlonsoWDC
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I would argue that you present a great case for education reform in Louisiana.
How do you know I was educated in Louisiana? I may have been educated in some other state.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:17 pm to Champagne
Hell, if you look at it, the Boxer Rebellion may actually be the key event.
The French had just invented smokeless powder, all the major military powers were gearing up with it, and this event provided "everyone" a chance to test it out. When you look at the Eight Nation Alliance, which formed in 1900 to quash the rebellion and rescue their legations, it's shocking to see who all was involved in the fighting:
The US
Great Britain
Germany
Russia
Austro-Hungarian Empire
France
Japan
Italy
All fighting together inside of China... these were the major combatants of WW1 and then WW2. And digging into it a bit, "working together" is a bit of a stretch, as there were tons of back-stabbing involved. They all got to scope each other out, and then we see what happens between those countries over the course of the century.
The French had just invented smokeless powder, all the major military powers were gearing up with it, and this event provided "everyone" a chance to test it out. When you look at the Eight Nation Alliance, which formed in 1900 to quash the rebellion and rescue their legations, it's shocking to see who all was involved in the fighting:
The US
Great Britain
Germany
Russia
Austro-Hungarian Empire
France
Japan
Italy
All fighting together inside of China... these were the major combatants of WW1 and then WW2. And digging into it a bit, "working together" is a bit of a stretch, as there were tons of back-stabbing involved. They all got to scope each other out, and then we see what happens between those countries over the course of the century.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:18 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Was WWII the most pivotal event of the 20th century?
Nope.
That would be the First World War. The "Original Catastrophe."
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:20 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I’d say WW1 reshaped the world more than WW2
Posted on 7/15/26 at 12:20 am to SaintlyTiger88
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The tensions were already at boiling level. If he didn’t kill the Archduke, the war may have started anyway
I don't think this is entirely accurate. Obviously historians are divided on the topic, but the outbreak of the First World War was more of a failure of diplomacy than it was anything else. Even after Austria submitted her ultimatum to Serbia on July 23, there were few people who thought a general European war to be an inevitability. The Kaiser, essentially the most powerful man in the world in 1914, went back to his vacation in Norway. That's something you generally don't do if you think a major conflagration to be in the offing.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 7:31 am to RollTide1987
Correct. People who think WWI started with the murder of the Archduke are way oversimplifying the outbreak of the war. It’s a sad result of history textbooks in high school boiling an obviously complicated event down to one bullet point.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 7:33 am to SaintlyTiger88
If Hitler had decided to overtake the Soviet Union instead of focusing abroad, we’d all be speaking German most likely.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 8:29 am to SaintlyTiger88
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Was WWII the most pivotal event of the 20th century?
I would say yes given that the results of that war dictated the entire last half of the century.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 8:41 am to RollTide1987
The Kaiser also told Austria that it would have Austria’s back if Russia defended Serbia. The fact that the Kaiser was on his personal 300 ft yacht is irrelevant. He was unstable to begin with and highly reactionary. Of course war was inevitable, Europe was highly militaristic at the time and Germany especially was dominated by Prussian officers
Posted on 7/15/26 at 9:52 am to SaintlyTiger88
The advent of ai. Nothing else even comes close, as will be borne out within a couple of generations.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 9:57 am to SaintlyTiger88
Light always beats darkness so I like to think there’s no way Nazi Germany would’ve won and run the world. They were too evil for it to ever work.
WWI and the resulting draconian peace treaty was probably the most influential event of the century.
WWI and the resulting draconian peace treaty was probably the most influential event of the century.
This post was edited on 7/15/26 at 9:58 am
Posted on 7/15/26 at 9:59 am to PowerTool
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The Merchants of Death theory is also pretty interesting, that various arms dealers (and their investors) were pressuring countries to go to war with each other.
Basically the plot of Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows. Love that movie.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:18 am to SaintlyTiger88
The polio vaccine was kind of pivotal, too...
Posted on 7/15/26 at 12:45 pm to Indefatigable
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There’s no end to this chain. The revolutions of 1848 and the Franco-Prussian War were just as causal.
Exactly.
The world today is just the culmination of the entirety of history that came before it.
We can't look at singular events in a vacuum and say "that was a pivotal event".
WWI would have happened with or without the assassination of the archduke, and WWII was just a continuation of WWI after a long "cease fire".
Posted on 7/15/26 at 1:35 pm to TigerHornII
quote:They didn’t in WW1. One day I’ll do a dive into pre-ww1 European macroeconomics, but consider the brainpower that fled prior to WW2. Splitting atoms for boiling water to generate cheap electricity is far easier than a manhattan project. So does Germany invest in the bomb, after such a discovery or does Einstein, Oppenheimer et al convince the Kiaser to go to the moon by 1959.
Germany that didn't defeat France would probably have never been his "rich uncle".
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