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re: Was a motive ever released for the Las Vegas shooting?

Posted on 9/20/20 at 10:54 pm to
Posted by Ancient Astronaut
Member since May 2015
36243 posts
Posted on 9/20/20 at 10:54 pm to
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t was a hit on Dan Bilzerian gone wrong.


He ran away like a baby
Posted by Capstone2017
I love lead paint- PokeyTiger
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/20/20 at 11:02 pm to
That was nearly the last of his money. He had a few million from real estate and gambled it all away on video poker. In the early 2000's he did very well at it. Then programmers made better versions and he lost it all.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
118065 posts
Posted on 9/20/20 at 11:07 pm to
I don't know if it just disappeared. Like everything else in the media, it had a life cycle and without a known motive what can they say? They can't link it to anything.

IMO, I think the dude had a person reason. Something in his life that was fricked up so he decided he was going to one up his dad..
Posted by SamuelRoy
Member since Feb 2017
96 posts
Posted on 9/20/20 at 11:10 pm to
Was an anti Trump shooting.
Posted by The Hurricane
Gulf of Mexico
Member since Aug 2011
8952 posts
Posted on 9/20/20 at 11:46 pm to
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I flipped to a news channel and it hadn’t even hit yet.

I was at the concert and the hours after were very crazy trying to contact friends and family. It was sometime between 12 and 1a pacific time on Sunday night, so everyone was asleep back in Louisiana. I called 3 family members to let them know and sent a few texts to the people that were aware I was at the concert. I’m still confused and angry that there are still so many questions left unanswered.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13124 posts
Posted on 9/20/20 at 11:57 pm to
Adding to the conspiracy is that a few survivors have been accused of being crisis actors and quite a few were present at the CA mass shooting a year later including 1 killed.
Posted by The Hurricane
Gulf of Mexico
Member since Aug 2011
8952 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:14 am to
I’ve tried to wrap my head around some of the conspiracies and other ideas that were floated and to this day nothing about that entire night adds up. It’s still just sad that we live in a world where we have to accept things without cause. In one of the most heavily secured cities, how was it that no one was able to see patterns with Paddock?
Posted by UncleLester
West of the Mississippi
Member since Aug 2008
8381 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 1:47 am to
Such a surreal night. I can remember every tiny detail of that night and the 24 hours before and after Katrina but I have to think really hard about what I had for lunch three out of five days last week.

As shallow as this may sound, I think for Las Vegas locals in general it doesn’t come up as frequently as some expect in conversation because of the transient nature of the city’s population (everyone seems to move in and out of LV so frequently - very few “born and stayed”) and so many of the casualties were tourists (only seven of the victims were Nevada Residents - there isn’t that constant “humanization” reminder that a work colleague/neighbor/friend lost a family member in the tragedy).

Also, Las Vegas just doesn’t have any real “news” coverage. Local investigations led by folks like Chris Nakamoto from Baton Rouge and Lee Zurich from New Orleans are non-existent here (outside of “dirty dining” segments). There are probably a ton of real interesting leads to chase from how the neighboring casinos handled things in the hours immediately after or any potential charity corruption right after the event but it seems like it is “taboo” for anyone to mention more than “thank you first responders”.

I remember for a while I always had my head on a swivel looking up when I walked down the strip (when I finally went back). I can’t really do that any more because I will get run over by someone from L.A. on a motorized scooter.

With regards to the shooter, I still have no idea what to think. I just can’t seem to think of anything rational that would cause someone to do what he did in the manner that he did it.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49109 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 1:49 am to
His dad made him play 2nd base
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
40006 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 5:26 am to
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Does virginia tech have any memorials, etc. up in relation to their mass killing that occurred there? I'm most certain its not mentioned to high school seniors on their college tour trips


Not mentioning it and it going away so damn fast are two different things.
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 5:27 am
Posted by MTB
Houston
Member since Aug 2007
1424 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:19 am to
Not only was their no motive ever identified, there is nothing in life prior to this event that would provide even hypothetical motives. Serial killers/mass murders/ etc routinely have previous markers of their eventual rash actions. This guy had nothing. Hardly even an electronic (social media/email/bank accounts) footprint. No political or social connections, no manifesto, no previous record, etc. He was a ghost, even to his own family. Yet he concocted the largest killing of innocent bystanders since 9-11 “just cause he lost it”

Nah, this shite stinks
Posted by LarryDavid
Los Angeles
Member since Sep 2010
4207 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:50 am to
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That was nearly the last of his money. He had a few million from real estate and gambled it all away on video poker. In the early 2000's he did very well at it. Then programmers made better versions and he lost it all.


I'm guessing you don't understand video poker. Those are exact odds you are playing with a random generator. There is no programmers made better versions to it. Casinos can change the odds, but you can clearly see it on the machines for every game. He was an AP (advantage player). He knew exactly what to look for on each machine. Example: They can't make a 9/6 Jacks or Better any lower than indicated as 99.5+ percentage payback (if the game is played perfectly). I did hear he had a few holes in his game, but probably not enough to not to be playing "above the casino" which means with comps he was playing over 100 percent. He was playing large amounts, but he had the bankroll to sustain and basically live on comps which means free rooms and meals from his play. He was also using his girlfriend to double up on comps.

I know this sounds like Chinese algebra to most people, but it isn't that hard to understand. In other words, Video Poker isn't like slots. If you know what you are doing, you can easily play above the casino. Thing is, the vast majority of people don't know how to do it. It does take a lot of practice to hone your game and even more practice all the time to sustain it.

What was weird to me is that he was playing on the strip at that casino. The casinos on Freemont (downtown Las Vegas) have even better odds than the strip, especially where he was playing. That's a proven fact. There are several machines that have odds at over 100 percent straight up. Not so much on the strip.

Also, it's best to know at least 3 games such as Jacks or Better, Deuces Wild & Double/Double and play those three examples perfectly or damn near-so all the time. You have to recognize where they (the machines with best odds) are on the casino floors (there is a clear way to see this on each machine) and only play the ones with the best odds. Then, only then, are you an AP at video poker.
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 11:22 am
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5580 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 11:53 am to
Follow the money.

We hear about every school and mass shooting that ever took place any time a new one happens but this one never ever gets talked about even from the media who thrives off chaos.
Posted by UncleLester
West of the Mississippi
Member since Aug 2008
8381 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 11:57 am to
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What was weird to me is that he was playing on the strip at that casino. The casinos on Freemont (downtown Las Vegas) have even better odds than the strip, especially where he was playing. That's a proven fact. There are several machines that have odds at over 100 percent straight up. Not so much on the strip.


I agree with the value of Downtown Video Poker vs Strip.

The Downtown joints may not have wanted his business (understanding that they would be negative at his volume and their promotions that would shift into a positive theoretical for him) and perhaps excluded him from marketing programs or maybe they didn’t offer anything more than $1 denominations (concerned about volatility of jackpots from bigger denomination machines that wouldn’t get consistent handle) and he wasn’t going to spend 16 hours a day grinding on those machines at the Four Queens.

Slot Directors and GM at Mandalay Bay and other strip properties love players like him because they can push up slot handle (even thought it might be unprofitable when you calculate comps and promotions) and then when they have their monthly P&L meetings to a bunch of corporate suits that don’t get granular to “the how” - they can say “we were up in volume but must have just been a bit unlucky in hold; it should normalize next month”.
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 11:59 am to
One thing about this shooting that has always fascinated me is there really isn't a massive conspiracy theory community for it. I know there are several conspiracy theories out there, but there's so little real info out there on the motive, it seems ripe for massive conspiracy theories.


It is bizarre he left so little info behind on any motive.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
38054 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:05 pm to
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Cia weapons drop gone bad



Why would they drop weapons in the middle of a hotel?
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
75126 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:07 pm to
I'm not a big conspiracy guy, but this just reeks of conspiracy.
Posted by Hogwarts
Arkansas, USA
Member since Sep 2015
18212 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:10 pm to
Does anyone know what was on the note he left ? Downvote me if this has been discussed
Posted by UncleLester
West of the Mississippi
Member since Aug 2008
8381 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:16 pm to
The Jesus Campos storyline is interesting to me on how much power a big corporation like MGM has to control narratives.

Additionally, it was just glossed over but more attention should be brought to the number of rooms with children under the age of 4 were left unattended on that night inside Mandalay Bay and the parents had to be reunited with them in a crime scene. Charges should have been brought on those parents too.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
57902 posts
Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:18 pm to
I kind of feel bad for campos.
I think he was a feeble minded fellow who went through a very traumatic experience. It’s probably pretty difficult to remember things well
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