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re: Walgreens pharmacist denies pregnant woman miscarriage medication over his ethical beliefs

Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:10 pm to
Cool.

Pharmacists should have the right to deny services.

And a pharmacy should be able to fire them too.

Freedom is awesome that way.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:10 pm to
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I guess my point is that if he was my employee, he would be fired.



My guess would be someone highly educated with convictions wouldn't want to work for someone who says they would give up their own convictions when it conflicts with a customer anyway.

If you're willing to lay aside your beliefs for something, then you really don't have any in the 1st place.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:12 pm to
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My guess would be someone highly educated with convictions wouldn't want to work for someone who says they would give up their own convictions when it conflicts with a customer anyway.

If you're willing to lay aside your beliefs for something, then you really don't have any in the 1st place.

well dont get me wrong.... there is a ton of stuff i stand up for and there is a price for each and every one of those.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58521 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:13 pm to
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Cool.

Pharmacists should have the right to deny services.

And a pharmacy should be able to fire them too.

Freedom is awesome that way.

so you agree with the Pharm and walgreens now.... great.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
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Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:13 pm to
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He will definitely lose his job.


Speaking in absolutes is never a good idea.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:13 pm to
From a Texas government website:

quote:

Is the pharmacist required to fill my prescription?

Occasionally, pharmacists may refuse to fill a prescription if they believe that filling the prescription is not in the best interest of your health. Some of the reasons a pharmacist may refuse to fill a prescription include:

the pharmacist is concerned that the medication will interact badly with another drug you are taking;
the pharmacist believes that an excessive quantity has been prescribed;
or the pharmacist has an indication that the prescription wasn't issued by the doctor whose name appears on the prescription.

It is the responsibility of the pharmacist to contact the doctor for clarification if they have any questions about the medical correctness or legality of a prescription. By doing this, pharmacists perform a vital, final check prior to your taking the medication.


Nothing about personal beliefs.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:14 pm to
I probably would too is the sad part.

But I'm glad there are people that don't. Envious of them in a way.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:16 pm to
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Because he doesn't know this is the case. He has zero access to her records from her MD.


Actually, the prescription should have had a ICD-10 code for billing purposes. That would have indicated why she was taking it. If he's too dumb to know the "good" and "bad" diagnostic codes for one of the few potentially objectionable drugs, then he sucks at being a pharmacist.

Per another board, he also should have known from the dosage.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:16 pm to
Cool. Now try Arizona where this actually happened.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86218 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:16 pm to
I’ve never argued that Walgreens doesn’t have the right to their own policy
Posted by PillPusher
Gulf Coast
Member since Oct 2009
5947 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:17 pm to
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Actually, the prescription should have had a ICD-10 code for billing purposes.


Actually, it doesn’t.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:17 pm to
Where do you go to the doctor where they take the time to write ICD 10 codes on prescriptions? I can assure you they don't do this regularly at all.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
80916 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:21 pm to
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Where do you go to the doctor where they take the time to write ICD 10 codes on prescriptions? I can assure you they don't do this regularly at all.


Need it to get reimbursed. Better to have it up front than have to chase it down after the fact.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58521 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

From a Texas government website:

quote:
Is the pharmacist required to fill my prescription?

Occasionally, pharmacists may refuse to fill a prescription if they believe that filling the prescription is not in the best interest of your health. Some of the reasons a pharmacist may refuse to fill a prescription include:

the pharmacist is concerned that the medication will interact badly with another drug you are taking;
the pharmacist believes that an excessive quantity has been prescribed;
or the pharmacist has an indication that the prescription wasn't issued by the doctor whose name appears on the prescription.

It is the responsibility of the pharmacist to contact the doctor for clarification if they have any questions about the medical correctness or legality of a prescription. By doing this, pharmacists perform a vital, final check prior to your taking the medication.


Nothing about personal beliefs.



From the United States Constitution: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:24 pm to
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Cool. Now try Arizona where this actually happened.


Oh I know, but he doesn’t.

quote:

From the United States Constitution: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.




When has this ever been a federal government issue?

Arizona is one of six states that allow pharmacists to deny prescriptions based on morals. They actually aren’t required to help find a new pharmacy after that. That’s only Walgreens policy. This isn’t a first amendment issue.

My whole point has been that these morals are misplaced because there was no abortion the pharmacist was preventing.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 12:26 pm
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:24 pm to
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Need it to get reimbursed. Better to have it up front than have to chase it down after the fact.


It's in their chart for sure. It's not on the prescription though.
Posted by PillPusher
Gulf Coast
Member since Oct 2009
5947 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

Need it to get reimbursed


Keep trying.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58521 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:48 pm to
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his isn’t a first amendment issue.
it very well could be if the state said he had to fulfill it.
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
10388 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:26 pm to
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his job is looking at meds and how they react to the patients body. So if one pharmacist doesnt want to fill it, GOT TO SOME ONE ELSE!


So this pharmacist already cited religious beliefs for not filling the script, not medical reasons. Are you telling me you would look square into a crying woman's eyes and tell her she's just going to have to carry that dead person's body inside of her belly across the street if she wants to get it out? If a pharmacist has sworn to a code of ethics to do what is right ethically for a patient's health, in this case the mother, then he has broken his oath. Period.

He was not saving a life by not handing her this prescription, in fact he was possibly harming another one, the one that was still alive.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 3:38 pm
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:44 pm to
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About that...

Go on...

Did you not read the part where I addressed him not being able to pick up the damn phone and call the Dr's office to verify the need for the script?
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