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re: Video of relieved Captain, Brett Crozier, disembarking the USS Roosevelt
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:10 am to FlyingTiger06
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:10 am to FlyingTiger06
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United State American Aircraft Carrier. The most potent weapons system on the face of the planet.
Not even remotely true.
Legit curious. In your opinion, what is then?
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:11 am to DOPEman
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Do you understand what the quarters/work areas are like on an aircraft carrier? There is no social distancing hence the Captain’s concern. Take your red herring and get bent.
I well understand, dipshit. And like your preening and prancing earlier, I have also been in combat and have led soldiers in combat.
The right decision was made.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:12 am to terd ferguson
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That's how its always been and how it will always be.
Sadly true, terd.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:13 am to GoHoGsGo06
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This is more than just about 1-2 soldiers not being able to see their sick wives. If you don’t agree, then I’m done here.
I'm agreeing with you in principle, but as a currently serving U.S. Navy sailor, I understand why this captain was popular with his crew. Oftentimes our working conditions are poor, our pay is lousy, the Navy gets anal about the smallest of things, and while they say they care about their sailors, their actions often tell a different story.
I do agree that this captain should have gone about his grievances in another way. However, I understand his motivations and why his crew so ardently seem to agree with what he did.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:13 am to Catchfalaya
The commander of the carrier group (his boss) likely lives next door to this guy on the ship. I’m sure they spoke on a daily if not multiple times daily basis.
Why have we not heard from the commander of the carrier group?
Why have we not heard from the commander of the carrier group?
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:15 am to AbuTheMonkey
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I well understand, dipshit.
So you deliberately made a statement you knew was inconsequential because...?
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:15 am to SloaneRanger
Well I can see 75% of the people in this thread have never served. I like how people throw around the term coward or idiot when talking about this captain. I think I can talk a little about who these people are due to my past qualifications.
I have served on board an Aircraft carrier's and I also served a stint NNPTC (Naval Nuclear Power Training Command). I have personally taught the XO's and CO's of various boats. In all my time I never encountered one idiot or coward. They were all sailors of the highest integrity. They were also some of the most intelligent people you will ever meet. These CO's of carriers not only are top pilots in the navy they also had to attend nuke school and qualify on all of the reactor stuff too. Most of the guys that are carrier CO's have not only attended Topgun, NNPTC but also Naval War College and most likely held posts at the Pentagon, not to mention stints as XO's and CO's of other commands.
The Captain wasn't dumb or an idiot. He is a hero who most likely knowingly sacrificed himself for his crew.
I have served on board an Aircraft carrier's and I also served a stint NNPTC (Naval Nuclear Power Training Command). I have personally taught the XO's and CO's of various boats. In all my time I never encountered one idiot or coward. They were all sailors of the highest integrity. They were also some of the most intelligent people you will ever meet. These CO's of carriers not only are top pilots in the navy they also had to attend nuke school and qualify on all of the reactor stuff too. Most of the guys that are carrier CO's have not only attended Topgun, NNPTC but also Naval War College and most likely held posts at the Pentagon, not to mention stints as XO's and CO's of other commands.
The Captain wasn't dumb or an idiot. He is a hero who most likely knowingly sacrificed himself for his crew.
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:16 am to DOPEman
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Tell me, have you ever been in a war?
No, I have not. But I hope you still give me the respect to have an opinion on the matter, even if you believe it is wrong.
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The best officer I ever served under was a farmer from just north of Alexandria. He didn't give a damn what his bosses thought and placed the mission and the welfare of his men on the same plane.
I truly understand what you are saying. But I think there is a difference in, say, a leader changing a tactical strategy (different than what was planned by his bosses) to accomplish a mission than disobeying a direct order.
I will concede to you this: maybe the guy did this to speed up the process of getting his men off the ship quicker, BUT he knew he was going to lose his command as a result of his actions. If he didn't know what he was doing was wrong (against military rules), then that is a scary thought.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:17 am to fr33manator
You ever hear of ICBMs? How about bombers? Or nuclear missile subs? Way more destructive power than an aircraft carrier and all can deliver their firepower in a much more responsive nature than a carrier going maybe 30 knots. But that's on the nuclear side, so how about on the conventional side.
Here's a fun fact for you. A single deployed squadron of 6 B-52s has the ability to provide more firepower to a conventional fight than an entire carrier air wing on an aircraft carrier. How do I know, because I was just witness to that fighting OIR in 2016-2017. We had a B-52 overhead the battlefields of Raqah and/or Mosul 24/7 each with up to 16x JDAMs. A 2-ship of Hornets would be carrying at most 8x JDAMs and they would only hang out for about 2 hours before they had to bingo out back to the boat.
Roll that forward to a Pacific scenario. The Chinese have long range anti-ship missiles that can travel further than the combat radius of a fighter coming from a carrier. So the carrier can't even get in range of Chinese mainland to launch its fighters without risk of being blown out of the water.
Mark my words, without some exotic improvement in its defense against cruise missiles or other anti-ship missiles, the carrier will go the way of the battleship by about 2035.
Here's a fun fact for you. A single deployed squadron of 6 B-52s has the ability to provide more firepower to a conventional fight than an entire carrier air wing on an aircraft carrier. How do I know, because I was just witness to that fighting OIR in 2016-2017. We had a B-52 overhead the battlefields of Raqah and/or Mosul 24/7 each with up to 16x JDAMs. A 2-ship of Hornets would be carrying at most 8x JDAMs and they would only hang out for about 2 hours before they had to bingo out back to the boat.
Roll that forward to a Pacific scenario. The Chinese have long range anti-ship missiles that can travel further than the combat radius of a fighter coming from a carrier. So the carrier can't even get in range of Chinese mainland to launch its fighters without risk of being blown out of the water.
Mark my words, without some exotic improvement in its defense against cruise missiles or other anti-ship missiles, the carrier will go the way of the battleship by about 2035.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:19 am to RollTide1987
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I'm agreeing with you in principle, but as a currently serving U.S. Navy sailor, I understand why this captain was popular with his crew. Oftentimes our working conditions are poor, our pay is lousy, the Navy gets anal about the smallest of things, and while they say they care about their sailors, their actions often tell a different story.
I do agree that this captain should have gone about his grievances in another way. However, I understand his motivations and why his crew so ardently seem to agree with what he did.
Agree 100% and I'm not gonna speculate like others about the actions he did or didn't take prior to sending that email. I'm inclined to believe Captain Crozier knew there was going to be repercussions when he hit send and did it anyway.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:19 am to DOPEman
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I well understand, dip shite.
So you deliberately made a statement you knew was inconsequential because...?
It was something of a joke, and you're bad at reading tone, for starters.
Second, if they were really concerned about preventing spread, they wouldn't have done that. They would have started social distancing the minute they disembarked.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:22 am to Tridentds
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Tridentds
Pipe down, ROTC.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:24 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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But I hope you still give me the respect to have an opinion on the matter, even if you believe it is wrong.
Absolutely, just speaking from my own frame of reference those are the type of men you want around you when shite is hitting the fan. Action in the absence of orders.
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I will concede to you this: maybe the guy did this to speed up the process of getting his men off the ship quicker, BUT he knew he was going to lose his command as a result of his actions. If he didn't know what he was doing was wrong (against military rules), then that is a scary thought
I think he did. Getting command of an aircraft carrier isn't something you obliviously stumble your way into I would think.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:25 am to AbuTheMonkey
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They would have started social distancing the minute they disembarked.
They probably would. They however were still on the ship..
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:28 am to UAinSOUTHAL
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He is a hero who most likely knowingly sacrificed himself for his crew
This is more than likely exactly what the man did, and that's why his crew loves him.
Anyone who suggests cowardice, ineptitude or dereliction of duty most likely has never served or never led men in the military.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:30 am to slacker130
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This is more than likely exactly what the man did, and that's why his crew loves him.
Anyone who suggests cowardice, ineptitude or dereliction of duty most likely has never served or never led men in the military.
I’m not going to call him a coward or hero. I don’t know enough about him to make that call.
But what I can say is with his actions he left the Navy no other option than to relieve him of his command.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:30 am to slacker130
The disconnect is real.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:36 am to Darth_Vader
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But what I can say is with his actions he left the Navy no other option than to relieve him of his command.
I'm not gonna explicitly disagree with you that the Navy was force to take action against him. I just wanna highlight the parody of this board in that a SEAL stabs a POW and poses with his dead body and the Navy is just on a witch hunt to tarnish an honorable man. An aircraft carrier Captain CC's too many people on an email pleading with his superiors to take action for the welfare of the Sailors under his command and oh well the Navy's hands were tied.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:41 am to Darth_Vader
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But what I can say is with his actions he left the Navy no other option than to relieve him of his command.
True, and he knew that and still put the welfare of his crew above his own livelihood.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:41 am to SloaneRanger
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I am still waiting for info. on just who allowed the ship to take a port of call in Vietnam in the face of a raging pandemic.
The CO has authority to pull into port or not pull in. That was Captain Crozier's decision and it was a poor one.
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