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RogerTheShrubber
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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Yeah I can't cheer this. We need to get away from capital punishment.


I can't get on board with that, and I have tried. There are some who definitely need to be taken out. If there's no doubt in the case and it's particularly heinous, I support it. There are times the families need that closure.

That said, it would be pretty rare.


BluegrassBelle
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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I mean, don't you have to be mentally Ill to do things like this?


Not necessarily. People regularly commit murder and violent acts who aren't clinically mentally ill all of the time. And there's a distinct difference in your level of competence to stand trial.

But reading some facts on the case, the Wiki sums up where there were some issues with her case I think. Particularly that the jury didn't know about her mental health diagnoses and past trauma that could have contributed to her mental state at the time of the murder. IMO that's probably worth noting.

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At a pre-trial hearing, a neuropsychologist testified that head injuries, which Montgomery had sustained some years before, could have damaged the part of the brain that controls aggression.[20] During her trial in federal court, her defense attorneys, led by Frederick Duchardt, asserted that she had pseudocyesis, a mental condition that causes a woman to falsely believe she is pregnant and exhibit outward signs of pregnancy.[21] According to The Guardian, Duchardt attempted to follow this line of defense only one week before the trial began, after being forced to abandon a contradictory argument that Stinnett was murdered by Montgomery's brother Tommy, who had an alibi. As a result, Montgomery's family refused to co-operate with Duchardt and describe her background to the jury.[17]

Dr. V. S. Ramachandran and MD William Logan gave expert testimony that Montgomery had pseudocyesis in addition to depression, borderline personality disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorder.[22][23] Ramachandran testified that Montgomery's stories about her actions fluctuated because her delusional state fluctuated, and that she was unable to appreciate the nature and quality of her acts.[24] Both federal prosecutor Roseann Ketchmark and the opposing expert witness forensic psychiatrist Park Dietz disagreed strongly with the diagnosis of pseudocyesis.[25][26]

On October 22, 2007, jurors found Montgomery guilty, rejecting the defense claim Montgomery was delusional.[25] On October 26, the jury recommended a death sentence.[27] Judge Gary A. Fenner formally sentenced Montgomery to death.[12] On April 4, 2008, a judge upheld the jury's recommendation for death.[28]

Duchardt's aforementioned pseudocyesis defense, Montgomery's past trauma and separate diagnoses of mental illness were not fully revealed to the jury until after her conviction, by her appeals team. This led critics, including Guardian journalist David Rose, to argue that Duchardt provided an incompetent legal defense for Montgomery.[17] Fenner required Duchardt to be cross-examined in November 2016. Duchardt rejected all criticism and defended his conduct.[17]


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Experts who examined Montgomery after conviction concluded that by the time of her crime she had long been living with psychosis, bipolar disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorders. She was said to be often disassociated from reality and to have permanent brain damage from numerous beatings at the hands of her parents and spouses.[33]


It's some sad shite all around to be honest about it. She was literally beat to the point by multiple people in her life to where she had permanent frontal lobe damage, which regulates your higher cognitive functions, emotions, impulse control, etc. I don't pretend to know how we could've helped that woman before reached the point of murder in the current system that we have though.
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sumtimeitbeslikedat
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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At least she got her stimulus check first




She will probably get the next one as well.




Yup. And vote Democrat in 2022, 2024, etc...


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Areddishfish
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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She cut a woman's baby out of her womb before murdering her and presenting the child as her own.


I wonder if this is where Ozark got it from.


dakarx
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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I mean, don't you have to be mentally Ill to do things like this?


Nope, but it sure does help!


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Hot Carl
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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Yeah I can't cheer this. We need to get away from capital punishment.


I can't get on board with that, and I have tried.


Man, I know it may seem like I’m singling you out to argue against today, but it’s really that I agree with you mostly but I need to play devil’s advocate to talk out my positions to myself. Ultimately, I think I am where you are with the sentences I quoted. But...

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There are some who definitely need to be taken out


Who decides the “some?”

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If there's no doubt in the case and it's particularly heinous


Whose doubt? Who decides what’s “particularly heinous?”

Like I said, I agree with you on almost everything and, gun to my head, I’d probably vote to keep the death penalty. But I’ve read enough of your posts over the years to know you have a healthy skepticism of the government’s competence. If it’s not 100%—and with humans it will never be 100%—how many innocent people are we willing to execute to satisfy that societal need for justice/closure/the reckoning? Who said, (paraphrasing) “better to let 10 guilty men go free than to unjustly imprison 1 innocent one?” What’s the acceptable ratio for executing? 10:1? 100? 1,000? These are hard questions, and the more I live and the more I talk/type, the more impossible the answers it seems.

frick it. I don’t know. Let’s all get high and binge nachos and Netflix and forget about it.




Coach Buzzcut
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery


God Bless Texas


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Mid Iowa Tiger
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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I mean, don't you have to be mentally Ill to do things like this?



Evil and mentally ill are not the same.



Cracker
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
kidnaping is always a federal crime


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Upperdecker
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
One less dangerous person in our world


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dgnx6
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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Yeah I can't cheer this. We need to get away from capital punishment.



Not cheering, just wondering why shes living off the taxpayers and receiving a stimulus.

I dont cheer the death of people, but still want capital punishment.


What are your thoughts on the woman that had her baby cut out of her and strangled?


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RogerTheShrubber
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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There are some who definitely need to be taken out


Who decides the “some?”


A jury of your peers. If you take lives, you really have no business being here anymore.


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dgnx6
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study after study shows that if we just leave them in jail it ends up costing less


It doesnt have to be, we made it that way.

I know ammo is in short supply, but i just bought some 9mm for $0.60/rd. Thats pretty fricking cheap.


And if i had time id love to look into the costs. Especially seeing the salaries of people that work for prisons. We spend a lot to keep murders alive.
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VADawg
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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She cut a woman's baby out of her womb before murdering her and presenting the child as her own.


Wow. Unfortunate that it took 17 years to put this animal down.


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geaux88
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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If you go to Twitter right now, there are degenerate mongoloids


aka, prog filth vermin democrat scum.
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Sentrius
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
We did Lisa Montgomery a huge favor giving her a peaceful death and eternal rest. Living the rest of your life clinically insane in prison is a miserable existence.

What Lisa did to that pregnant woman was horrific but her mind and brain was already a diseased and jumbled train wreck after decades of being sexually abused by her own mother and step father and she had no hope of being reformed.

She was a sick animal that needed to be put down and we put her down last night.


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Beauw
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
A newborn vs. a psycho.... not exactly apples to apples there.


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patchesohoulihan_007
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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@beyondreasdoubt
I’m just gutted.


Too soon.



My first thought was this was a joke bc of the wording.

Someone should Twitter back to her, it sickens me that this sickens you.


RogerTheShrubber
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Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
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study after study shows that if we just leave them in jail it ends up costing less


It doesnt have to be, we made it that way.


Right. It's primarily legal costs, lawyers.


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avondale88
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re: US executes first woman since 1953: a monster named Lisa Montgomery
I'll never forget when I took a psychology class during my second year of LSU. The professor started a talk of why some people murder others. The lecture was interesting until he showed clips of the people who were murdered. They were pictures of the victims of the crime before the authorities took their bodies from the scene. I thought that the woman who was frying chicken when her ex lover broke into her house and pushed her head in the hot oil was bad. He held her head down in the grease until there was no movement left in her body. I'll never get that woman's face out of my mind. Her eyeballs looked five times the size of normal eyes. I thought that was a horrible way to die until the professor showed us the picture of a woman strapped to an ironing board. She was a house keeper when the intruder broke into the house. He tied her up on an ironing board and ironed her with the iron until she died. That poor woman probably suffered for ten or more minutes before her death. The person who killed her was an escapee from a mental institution. He wasn't held accountable for her death. The picture of her body on the ironing board still haunts me. I think that the mental patient should have been put down. Imagine the members of her family after they saw her body. The professor told us that you have people walking the streets that probably would commit crimes worse than this but haven't acted on their impulses yet.


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