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re: US appeals court blocks ban on rapid-fire ‘bump stocks’
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:41 am to Barbellthor
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:41 am to Barbellthor
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It did nothing to make the shooting worse
Ummmm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:43 am to Grinder
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I wouldn’t expect you to understand. Maybe one day you’ll have a similar experience.
I have.
My emotional state at the time didn’t impact my views of the 2nd amendment, nor did it impact the views of my sibling who was directly impacted.
You shouldn’t use emotional views as a bludgeon to give a certain viewpoint more weight.
You sound like those overly emotional people who constantly bleat about their “experiences” and how “people can’t understand”.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 8:46 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:44 am to Grinder
Respectfully, you have no idea what you’re talking about. You clearly don’t shoot at all. People like you that make such uninformed opinions are more dangerous than any firearm.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 8:44 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:48 am to turkish
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You clearly don’t shoot at all.
And you say I have no idea what I’m talking about.
You have no idea what I own, or how much I shoot.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:51 am to Grinder
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You may not feel this way if you knew one of the victims of the Vegas shooting. Doesn’t change the fact that a madman was responsible, but fewer rounds shot could result in fewer deaths.
Sure, maybe. But it’s a non-starter because of the 2nd amendment.
THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Going to have to find another solution.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:01 am to Warfox
I agree with you.
I’m pro 2nd amendment, but I don’t see value or need in a gimmick product like a bump-stock which allows a shooter to spray more bullets down range at a higher rate.
Other than being used as a novelty item, what professional organization (military, police, special ops) would use a product like this in their job?
Doesn’t look like they’re going anywhere, so the point is moot.
I’m pro 2nd amendment, but I don’t see value or need in a gimmick product like a bump-stock which allows a shooter to spray more bullets down range at a higher rate.
Other than being used as a novelty item, what professional organization (military, police, special ops) would use a product like this in their job?
Doesn’t look like they’re going anywhere, so the point is moot.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:07 am to Grinder
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I wouldn’t expect you to understand. Maybe one day you’ll have a similar experience.
My favorite uncle died because he fell down the stairs. I believe all houses should now be one floor only. If you disagree you're wrong because I know someone that died.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:09 am to Warfox
While I don’t see the value in the bump stocks, we should celebrate the courts doing what they’re designed to do here. The existing law doesn’t include language that encompasses bump stocks, so it’s illegal to ban them. If the government wants to ban them, Congress needs to amend the existing law or introduce a new one—you know, like our government was designed to work.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:09 am to Grinder
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Other than being used as a novelty item, what professional organization (military, police, special ops) would use a product like this in their job?
They aren't limited by the infringement Reagan brought us over fully automatic weapons. Neat government gave themselves a free pass while limiting the citizens.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:14 am to Grinder
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Other than being used as a novelty item, what professional organization (military, police, special ops) would use a product like this in their job?
They have access to full auto. They don’t need a bump stock.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:17 am to Warfox
Personally, I don't see the appeal. But the court did.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:21 am to Grinder
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I’m pro 2nd amendment, but I don’t see value or need in a gimmick product like a bump-stock which allows a shooter to spray more bullets down range at a higher rate.
Good thing it’s our rights, not needs that are protected by the constitution
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Other than being used as a novelty item, what professional organization (military, police, special ops) would use a product like this in their job?
What does that have to do with anything?
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:36 am to Jester
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Hooray for mass shootings!
Are you proposing go a ban on people? Bump stocks have been involved in one mass shooting. People have been involved in every single mass shooting. It was useless ban designed to appease people like you. Bump stocks are wildly inaccurate. If Paddock had just sniped in a more accurate and discreet manner he would have had a far higher kill rate.
The idea that the government just took away what someone purchased legally and offered zero compensation to anyone is scary. Taken to an extreme, a progressive president could do the same with gas vehicles claiming they kill and would not have to offer anyone compensation. That seems strange in the the States (no longer United) with a Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:02 am to Warfox
The Vegas argument against bump stocks makes no sense. If somebody is shooting at me from hundreds of yards away, I much prefer them to be using a fully-automatic weapon.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:18 am to Grinder
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You may not feel this way if you knew one of the victims of the Vegas shooting.
I understand this sentiment. I may say certain crimes do not deserve the death penalty, and yet I don't know that I won't murder the person I catch raping my wife unless and God forbid I catch it happening.
What I do hope and pray is that I do not become so weak in the emotional aftermath of tragedy that I allow a madman's actions to strip myself and others of the right and ability to protect their loved ones from future harm.
I also understand bump stocks to basically let the gun slide back and forth with the recoil, vaguely mimicking the speed of a machine gun. And while it would not shoot as fast as some very fast automatics, I can imagine the even extra inaccuracy it must create to let the gun loose to essentially "spray and pray," as it is said, by not only having a gun shooting beyond standard speed but having to hold it loosely, too. Further, have you seen paintball pros? Those people with just finger speed make semis basically auto. You don't need bump stocks to do that. Banning them is mostly if not entirely emotional legislation that simply encroached on our natural rights.
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