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re: UPDATE 4/26 -Just In Case the OT Didn't Know - The UK is murdering a little baby right now
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:40 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:40 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
what type of treatment are they offering in Italy that hasn't been offered in the 17 months the child has been in the hospital in the UK?
I understand it's a difficult decision but it seems a bit hyperbolic to call the judge a murderer
I understand it's a difficult decision but it seems a bit hyperbolic to call the judge a murderer
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:40 am to GetCocky11
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Is there a link to this? All I saw is that he is just breathing on his own.
LINK to video of Alfie's cognitive responses to stimuli
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:41 am to TH03
This is a sensitive subject for lots of people.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:43 am to lsupride87
quote:Yes.
Wouldnt it also be govt overreach to force a doctor to perform a procedure he doesnt view as medically correct?
Neither party should be compelled to one way or another.
If there aren’t any physicians available who will perform the procedure needed, well, I am unsure how that would play out.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:43 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
that is hard to watch because all I can see is my son in the video and what I would do if put into this situation, and I would probably killed by the armed guards and miss out on time with my son.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:46 am to Pilot Tiger
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what type of treatment are they offering in Italy that hasn't been offered in the 17 months the child has been in the hospital in the UK?
Irrelevant to the fact the judge is keeping the parents from pursuing this additional care for their child that places no additional burden on the NHS.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:47 am to Pilot Tiger
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what type of treatment are they offering in Italy that hasn't been offered in the 17 months the child has been in the hospital in the UK?
free treatment from the Italian government, so the UK and you can kindly frick off out of the situation, because the Italians have given you an easy out. Just take it.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:49 am to Centinel
quote:Maybe I'm wrong but the judge didn't seem to do anything other than affirm the decisions made by numerous health professionals with regard to care for the child and that was that transporting the already terminally ill child would likely cause no change at best and more suffering at worst. Furthermore the professionals have to consent to assist in the transporting and they are not wanting to do so. The courts and professionals are thinking of what's best for the child first and foremost, NOT what the parents want.
Irrelevant to the fact the judge is keeping the parents from pursuing this additional care for their child that places no additional burden on the NHS.
I don't see how this is the judge's or "socialized medicine's" fault. It seems like a very sad situation and especially heart breaking situation for the parents but I don't see how it's murder.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:50 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:what treatment is Italy offering specifically?
free treatment from the Italian government,
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:50 am to Centinel
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Irrelevant to the fact the judge is keeping the parents from pursuing this additional care for their child that places no additional burden on the NHS.
This about sums it up.
Fine, if the hospital/government/judge/whoever decides to no longer provide care, whatever. But what moral right does the hospital/government/judge/whoever have to prevent the parents from taking the child from the hospital, and double down to the point of having armed fricking guards? Like I said before, if the family wants to pursue care elsewhere at their own expense, why should the British government care? What if they simply just want to take their son home to die? This is all bullshite.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:51 am to Pilot Tiger
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The courts and professionals are thinking of what's best for the child first and foremost, NOT what the parents want.
Would you allow them to make that decision for your child if you disagreed?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:51 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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The UK has actually forced them at gunpoint to stay at the hospital in the UK.
This situation would not occur in America.
Thousands of armed American citizens would show up and make sure the child got to that helicopter.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:52 am to 225bred
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What a piece of shite you must be irl.
edit: a miserable piece of shite
Article filled with emotional writing.
Guy asks to see facts-based article.
Posters get emotional.
Guy says he just wants facts.
Posters call him a miserable piece of shite.
It's times like this when I value the slight touch of autism I was blessed with.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:53 am to Pilot Tiger
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but I don't see how it's murder.
I mean at worst it's a huge intrusion on personal liberty. There's plenty of jurisprudence that parents "can control" for lack of a better term, the well being of their children. Now we're saying the government has control of the incapacitated.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:53 am to Tigerlaff
quote:I don't know what I would think, it depends on the facts and circumstances.
Would you allow them to make that decision for your child if you disagreed?
Obviously it's easy to have an opinion as an outsider, but 17 months is a long time and if the medical professionals are telling me what's best, I don't see how I can know more than they do.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:54 am to OKellsBells
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This situation would not occur in America.
Thousands of armed American citizens would show up and make sure the child got to that helicopter.
Well actually it wouldn't occur in America because patient's have autonomy and I, as a provider, can not force a parent to keep their child under my care. You basically just got a sign a little form that absolves me from being liable for anything bad that happens afterwards
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:54 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
wow. cant really say it better than that.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:55 am to Pilot Tiger
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and if the medical professionals are telling me what's best, I don't see how I can know more than they do.
and medical professionals from Italy are telling them what's best is to send him to them so they can continue to try and save his life. Uh oh, not as black and white a picture as you're trying to paint anymore, is it?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:55 am to Pilot Tiger
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Obviously it's easy to have an opinion as an outsider, but 17 months is a long time and if the medical professionals are telling me what's best, I don't see how I can know more than they do.
So you'd make the choice, not the government or medical professionals. Got it, that's what we're all saying.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:56 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:I haven't read one opinion from a medical professional claiming they can save the child's life
medical professionals from Italy are telling them what's best is to send him to them so they can continue to try and save his life.
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