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re: UPDATE 4/26 -Just In Case the OT Didn't Know - The UK is murdering a little baby right now
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:56 am to Pecker
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:56 am to Pecker
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Article filled with emotional writing.
Guy asks to see facts-based article.
Posters get emotional.
Guy says he just wants facts.
Posters call him a miserable piece of shite.
Like he said. Board full of women.
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:56 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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So you'd make the choice, not the government or medical professionals. Got it, that's what we're all saying.
nice
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:57 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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and medical professionals from Italy are telling them what's best is to send him to them so they can continue to try and save his life. Uh oh, not as black and white a picture as you're trying to paint anymore, is it?
Are the Italians saying that from a medical point of view or from some sort of personal sense of morality?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:57 am to Pecker
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It's times like this when I value the slight touch of autism I was blessed with.
You sound, like, really smart
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:58 am to Pilot Tiger
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I don't see how this is the judge's or "socialized medicine's" fault.
Really?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:58 am to Pilot Tiger
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I haven't read one opinion from a medical professional claiming they can save the child's life
So the Italian government, the parents, the Pope, and numerous journalists are just lying about what Italian doctors have told them they would try to do. Dude, just gtfo of here
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:00 am to Pilot Tiger
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haven't read one opinion from a medical professional claiming they can save the child's life
How about this. Let the fricking parents decide how their child dies. With dignity on their terms is the right answer. Their losing their child, let them not lose their minds for the rest of their lives.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:00 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:I'm not denying their wanting to attempt treatment.
So the Italian government, the parents, the Pope, and numerous journalists are just lying about what Italian doctors have told them they would try to do. Dude, just gtfo of here
I just don't see where they've come out and say they are going to save the kid's life.
If they were then why have all the other medical professionals, UK courts, EU courts not given those statements any weight?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:01 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:I am not sure what your point is here
I'm not denying their wanting to attempt treatment.
I just don't see where they've come out and say they are going to save the kid's life.
If they were then why have all the other medical professionals, UK courts, EU courts not given those statements any weight?
Simple question: You seem to be for the right of government to tell you how you spend your own money on your own care. Is that correct?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:01 am to Sao
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How about this. Let the fricking parents decide how their child dies. With dignity on their terms is the right answer. Their losing their child, let them not lose their minds for the rest of their lives.
Is there dignity in moving him to Italy?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:02 am to GetCocky11
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Are the Italians saying that from a medical point of view or from some sort of personal sense of morality?
I imagine their sense of morality has propelled them to at least try medically to help the child for as long as his caregivers and medicine deem ALL OPTIONS have been exhausted. Regardless, on one hand a british doctor may say there's no hope, an italian doctor says there just might be, and the british government decides to side against hope.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:03 am to GetCocky11
quote:It doesnt matter
Is there dignity in moving him to Italy?
The only thing that should be being discussed is it the right of a government to tell you how you choose to spend your own money on your own care
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:03 am to Pecker
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Article filled with emotional writing.
Guy asks to see facts-based article.
Posters get emotional.
Guy says he just wants facts.
Posters call him a miserable piece of shite.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:03 am to lsupride87
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You seem to be for the right of government to tell you how you spend your own money on your own care. Is that correct?
My original statement was basically saying that calling the judge a murderer was not correct.
I'm actually in support of a parent's right to make those decisions but I'm not blaming the govt for their kid dying and not blaming the medical professionals for the decision.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:03 am to Sao
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How about this. Let the fricking parents decide how their child dies. With dignity on their terms is the right answer. Their losing their child, let them not lose their minds for the rest of their lives.
This should be the argument. Instead, it's entirely "they're killing that kid omg omg omg!"
So then it becomes whether or not the UK is intentionally murdering a child (they're not) instead of a legitimate discussion about rights of parents vs. control of the state.
It's a good example of why our modern discourse is so fricked and why people on the anti-authoritarian side of the argument often derail their own narrative.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:03 am to Pilot Tiger
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If they were then why have all the other medical professionals, UK courts, EU courts not given those statements any weight?
It really sounds like you have entirely too much faith in the integrity of the system/government...when it seems pretty obvious at this point they lack any integrity at the most basal level.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:04 am to GetCocky11
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there dignity in moving him to Italy?
To the parents? You GD right there is.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:04 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:Fair enough.
I'm actually in support of a parent's right to make those decisions but I'm not blaming the govt for their kid dying and not blaming the medical professionals for the decision.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:04 am to Sao
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there dignity in moving him to Italy?
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To the parents? You GD right there is.
What about to the child?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:05 am to Pilot Tiger
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If they were then why have all the other medical professionals, UK courts, EU courts not given those statements any weight?
They weighed it, but it's still a numbers game to the British govt. Any extraordinary measures taken by the Italians would represent only a marginal chance at extended life, and still zero chance of a normal life. Ultimately, that's all utilization in an NHS style govt is based on. Cost-benefit. And the UK govt sees no benefit to providing more resources to this little guy.
Them preventing "help" is another (abhorrent) matter entirely.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 11:07 am
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