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re: Unions are outdated. It is 2023 not 1923
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:25 pm to LSUTitan99
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:25 pm to LSUTitan99
So you're a professional boot-licker then.
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Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:30 pm to TheFitfulFire
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So you're a professional boot-licker then.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:32 pm to onelochevy
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The plant I work in is union. Seems like it's only purpose is to make if difficult to fire the useless ones
That is the only purpose of unions now, to keep unproductive workers employed.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:50 pm to LSUTitan99
I guess IBEW is different when it comes to dues vs benefits. School is paid for is the biggest factor for me. I assume it is different local to local in IBEW. The biggest downs side is dues, which I pay 3% of my check to each week. The kicker is 3 different pensions as well as blue cross healthcare paid for by your contractor. Our union pay scale is a minimum wage, not a top out wage. You can be hired on with a contractor or you can go job to job by just signing the books. No real downside to it as we don’t work residential, if we did that would be a completely different story as most of them are mom and pop shops with who knows what sort of training. There isn’t an aspect of keeping lazy workers employed that I’ve seen. If you suck then they send you home and say don’t come back. You can sign the books again but your reputation is already bad and will be hard to find employment.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:59 pm to LSUTitan99
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I work in labor relations and fight unions for a living. I can go to bed soundly every night, knowing I help fight corrupt union leaders who take workers' money in the form of union dues and offer them absolutely nothing in return. So what do unions really do?
Which union is this that you are fighting the corrupt leaders of everyday? I would posit that is a bit of hyperbole....
Good, from a management perspective, employees seldom need a grievance process...they do whatever they are told without question. Those employees also do not need a union because they will tolerate anything and do anything asked of them. For anyone not built that way having numbers to back your position is ALWAYS favorable...that is wht management will belong to their own unions in the form of the JayCees and industry groups...they know there is strength in numbers but employees are too stupid supposedly to know or benefit from the same strength in numbers.
There is NO union which would prevent a company from rewarding a good employees. Not a single one. There is no CBA which prevents an employer from paying more, offering bonuses and all kinds of incentives for employees to perform above average. If you are telling employees that you are lying and exactly kind of employer whose employees need a collective bargaining agreement from.
The most successful companies and businesses in the US are union employers. These companies do not see the time spent in managing their workforce as a waste of time, they see it as an expense of doing business and one that is focused on their biggest cost and their least predictable variable.
Management only wants labor to be on the same team when management is trying to get something for nothing. When labor needs ANYTHING they are told immediately that the company is ALL that matters. Capital and Labor are not and will never be on the same "team" anymore than a fox and hen will be.
Union members make about 117% of what their non-union cohorts in the same industry make across the board AFTER paying for dues and assessments. Union members have better benefits with nearly 100% having work related health insurance compared to about 68% of non-union workers, nearly 100% having some form of retirement benefit compared to about 43% of non-union workers. Union workers are safer in the work place by almost 70%. Union workers are FAR better trained and educated than their non-union counterparts with most of that training and education a result of their employment with a company with a CBA. Union workers live longer, retire earlier and are healthier than their non-union counterparts. Salary alone is reason enough to pay dues and assessments...earning nearly 20% more per year after paying those costs is a no brainer for all but the dumbest among us...coupled with the other benefits that union members have that their non union counterparts do not it really is a wonder anyone doesnt belong to a union.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:02 pm to CunningLinguist
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I have problems with unions but to deny their usefulness is being willfully obtuse. They are a powerful employee voice at times to upper management. There is a lot wrong with unions too.
There absolutely is a LOT wrong with unions, chief among the issues with Unions in the US today is that they only exist in industries that want them to exist...they are, for the most part, nothing more than an extension of capital. They are allowed to exist, they do not exist despite management. Even with this being the case though the differences in wages alone is worth the cost of admission for most Americans. Most do not have an opportunity to belong to a union but when given a chance will usually take it in a heartbeat.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:09 pm to LSUTitan99
quote:Cry me a river. Almost zero CEO's are on the same team as the worker, union or not.
The bring in the "us versus them" mentality in the workplace instead of everyone being on the same team.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:01 pm to parrothead
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I guess IBEW is different when it comes to dues vs benefits. School is paid for is the biggest factor for me. I assume it is different local to local in IBEW. The biggest downs side is dues, which I pay 3% of my check to each week. The kicker is 3 different pensions as well as blue cross healthcare paid for by your contractor. Our union pay scale is a minimum wage, not a top out wage. You can be hired on with a contractor or you can go job to job by just signing the books. No real downside to it as we don’t work residential, if we did that would be a completely different story as most of them are mom and pop shops with who knows what sort of training. There isn’t an aspect of keeping lazy workers employed that I’ve seen. If you suck then they send you home and say don’t come back. You can sign the books again but your reputation is already bad and will be hard to find employment.
You speak the truth. I know several IBEW members and all speak highly of the organization. They don’t take kindly to those who damage the reputation by not doing quality work or having other issues.
As others have mentioned, the OP is obviously a boot-licker who does the bidding of corporate overlord types.
There are no doubt issues that arise with unions sometimes - but to completely down unions because of those issues is just as dumb as saying capitalism is a bad system because some people engage in unethical practices. There needs to be checks and balances.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:01 pm to LSUTitan99
They bought him a lot of swing states, he's going to pander to them.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 4:30 pm to JasonDBlaha
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Yeah it’s true that RNs make slightly above average salaries for bachelor degree professions. But the amount of schooling and requirements one has to go through to become an RN is ridiculous. BSN is just a title. The pay difference between someone who’s a BSN-RN and someone who’s only an RN is non-existent.
If someone really wanted to go into nursing for the money, I’d just tell them to stay in school longer and go the Nurse Practitioner route
Please shut up.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 5:34 pm to crazy4lsu
Sorry if already , but without the fed govt unions would cease to exist.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:05 pm to mallardhank
Company I worked for had both union and non-union manufacturing plants around the world. The union plants were bad for business. The workers were lazy, resistant to any change to improve the process, and filed complaints when ever their feelings were hurt. The non-union plants were more advanced since they welcomed new technology that could improve our advantage over competitors. We shutdown union plants whenever possible if we could transfer production to a non-union plant. Unions are like cancer. They drag down US manufacturing.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:09 pm to LSUTitan99
Unions are everything that is wrong with this country
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:10 pm to LSUTitan99
All you have to do is look at the teacher unions and the education system to realize how bad they are
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:27 pm to TheFitfulFire
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So you're a professional boot-licker then.
they truly are.
every employee benefit and workplace protection that exists in this country - from weekends to osha to child labor laws - was paid for in union sweat, tears, and all too often blood.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:30 pm to LSUTitan99
I’m completely anti-union. But I will say as someone who’s worked for a company with both sides, there’s no comparing the union workforce when you’re looking at skilled labor. It was just a different breed than the morons we drug off the street in non-union areas.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:37 pm to LSUTitan99
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I work in labor relations and fight unions for a living.
AKA “I’m a corporate shill bootlicker”
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I can go to bed soundly every night, knowing I help fight corrupt union leaders who take workers' money in the form of union dues and offer them absolutely nothing in return
As opposed to the total honest, uncorrupt corporations and executives who totally just want to give everything they can to their employees?
Awww poor baby corporations can’t grow at an exponential rate bc someone is holding them accountable for taking care of their employees and not allowing them to turn them into wage slaves like all the non-union industries
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:47 pm to BowlJackson
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BowlJackson
. You never disappoint.Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:08 pm to TDTOM
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TDTOM
And you. Never heard of you.
Keep up the good work
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:10 pm to LSUTitan99
You nailed it.
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