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re: Unemployed Americans Endure Longer Job Searches in a Cooling Market

Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:19 am to
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:19 am to
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It’s standard at this point for employers to pay for the training.


True, but I'm worried that if we end up with a long-term slowdown, internship opportunities will reduce and even some college grads who were offered jobs upon graduating might have those offers rescinded.

Same with plant opportunities for some graduating from a one or two year technical school.

I'll say, though, don't see the need for electricians or plumbers reducing any time soon. Lord knows I can't do that shite on my own.
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:22 am to
SBA is horseshite.

GSA wastes more money than any agency in history.

Ethical government procurement officials that aren't as dumb as a stick horse, and as lazy AF are rarer than hen's teeth.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73204 posts
Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:24 am to
AI and the decline in demand for white dollar desk jobs is going to force us to stop automatically thinking that working with hands and feet is automatically “blue collar”
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:34 am to
Maybe have to get through it? Or allow those near the finish line to proceed? I don’t know. But to me it isn’t right to outsource to India, etc. when these are our jobs. To spend money and time earning engineering credentials here then companies outsourcing for pennies and now jobs aren’t available here is just wrong.
Posted by Pedro
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:35 am to
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If everyone was so productive
if you hired someone that can’t be productive at home they’re probably not going to be productive in the office either

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team chemistry and departmental synergy
this shite doesn’t matter

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Adults, like kids need to be supervised.
if you hired someone that needs that much supervision that’s a knock on your hiring standards.

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doing the bare minimum required during the work week
so doing what they were hired to do and not wasting time trying to hit on Becky in the next cubicle over?
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:39 am to
Skip college kids. It’s nothing more than a debt trap. Welders, Electricians, Plumbers and HVAC work is where it’s at.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9048 posts
Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:42 am to
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Nobody hiring due to all the uncertainty, businesses don't know how to plan at this point


Just from my very small business example, the total chaos of the tariffs is currently causing me to cut back on staff hours due to absurdity of tariffs on USED records from Europe and Japan.

I'm 100% for doing everything we can to stem the flow of manufacturing jobs to places with shite wages, environmental regulations etc. . .

But, how is adding a huge tariff on 300 USED records from Holland, Canada, UK or Japan manufactured in the 1960-80s accomplishing that?


I have a record shop where I get 50% of my USED vinyl inventory from Europe and Japan. Obvious reason is that many records were only pressed in certain countries and it's simply bringing things from countries where they're not in demand to the USA where people want them.

I am in 100% agreement about paying more or finding alternatives for plastic merch bags or light bulbs for my shop to avoid cheap Chinese ones. I've already been doing that for 15 years though.


How much of this tariff BS is really about American manufacturing jobs?

Are our jobs really being shipped to Europe, Japan and Canada?

Are already more expensive specialty products from those countries with equal or better worker benefits and stiffer environmental laws really hurting American workers?

Or, just giving American workers more diverse choices of products that make their lives a little more enjoyable?

And, in turn, creating small independent business opportunities for Americans?


This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 1:18 pm
Posted by Sidicous
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Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:42 am to
Before the Reagan economy took off it took me from November graduation until late August to get any professional employment with a BS in Marketing. The starting pay was also terribly low and I had to relocate 100 miles away.

The long job search did have its own exciting moments though. Like the time my dad the purchasing manager for the entire Citgo corporation called early afternoon to come use the office to make more copies of my resume (everything was done on paper back then in ‘88-‘89 and the few with a home PC rarely had a printer)

Ended up in the IT office and when I popped my 3.5” hard disk in my DOS replaced the corporation mainframe DOS (my DOS was much newer). In seconds every line into IT was lit up flashing.

Every cash register and gas pump shutdown, a joint drilling venture in Russia shutdown, their refineries were scrambling to figure out what was happening, the corporate headquarters computers were unusable. Pretty much the entire company worldwide was shutdown.

The IT manager at one point looked over and stated the obvious, “I shouldn’t have put you on a network terminal “. He took the blame like a man though and never tried to throw me under the bus.

A couple of years later I was in Shreveport on the way to my grandparents and stopped at the Citgo station I grew up using and had to go in to pay. I was audibly chuckling remembering the incident and the clerk asked me why so I related the story. Turns out he was the clerk on duty when it happened and remembered having to lock up the station with a couple of people inside. Said it took about 10 minutes to fire back up.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:44 am to
There are plenty of jobs but people may have to move. The defense contractors are hiring thousands. And very good pay considering the cost of living. Plenty of room to move up and get promoted to other facilities elsewhere depending on the skills and training you're willing to pick up.

No education or skills and right out of high school will get you $22/hour with all the overtime you want. Quite a bit of that overtime is double time as they are having to run 24/7 now.

Plenty of jobs for higher skilled workers as well.
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
5516 posts
Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:45 am to
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Plenty of high paying skilled blue collar jobs available


No it ain’t… this the slowest we’ve ever been…

This year price of all building materials damn near doubled… the Amigos now charge damn near double…
This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 9:55 am
Posted by pelicansfan123
Member since Jan 2015
2356 posts
Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:47 am to
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if you hired someone that needs that much supervision that’s a knock on your hiring standards.


This is so true. If you need to babysit adults, either you're hiring some really immature people (and it's on you) or it's just an excuse to micro-manage those adults (which decreases job satisfaction).

I find I actually get less done around the office than I do at home, where I don't have coworkers coming to my office to chit chat and where I don't have to hear distracting small talk outside of my office.
This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 3:53 pm
Posted by Pedro
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:48 am to
With all the bullshite I have to deal with working in education this is one thing I’m thankful for. My job security is pretty much 100%
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 8/3/25 at 10:21 am to
WTH is all that corporate blather?


Did you read a buzzword handbook?

I will agree there is a lot of fuggin' off with WFH.

The party's over, though.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
17631 posts
Posted on 8/3/25 at 10:25 am to
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How long before they bring them back once the quality has deteriorated


The Hungarians are really good. They took over Sys Admin roles. The Indians took tier 1-2 helpdesk roles. The Indians suck
This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 10:26 am
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18830 posts
Posted on 8/3/25 at 11:27 am to
Just got an offer on Friday, 8/1, after being unemployed since January. Had never been unemployed since graduating college in 2004.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73204 posts
Posted on 8/3/25 at 12:41 pm to
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Just from my very small business example, the total chaos of the tariffs is currently causing me to cut back on staff hours due to absurdity of tariffs on USED records from Europe and Japan.


Tariffs were paused on Europe and Japan until just a few days ago.

With the deals in place, you will be paying 15% more for the records. But that isn’t a 15% increase in your costs, because the records themselves you are buying are only a fraction of your total costs.

I’m not arguing in favor of tariffs, but I’m wondering if there is more to the story with your business?

I work for an environmental compliance company and we get lots of our equipment from China and the eastern world. Our costs have gone up this year but we are nowhere near going into the red.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 8/3/25 at 12:43 pm to
Boomers; a firm handshake and a smile will get you a job
Posted by Sput
Member since Mar 2020
9106 posts
Posted on 8/3/25 at 1:00 pm to
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Just got an offer on Friday, 8/1, after being unemployed since January. Had never been unemployed since graduating college in 2004.


Congratulations
Posted by YouKnowImRight
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2023
2855 posts
Posted on 8/3/25 at 1:02 pm to
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This is probably why my company felt comfortable to recently tell my division we're back to 4 days a week in the office, despite zero actual need to do so.


Companies that are doing this are doing it for one of two reasons:

WFH led to lower productivity
Workforce reduction without layoffs
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9048 posts
Posted on 8/3/25 at 1:03 pm to
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With the deals in place, you will be paying 15% more for the records. But that isn’t a 15% increase in your costs, because the records themselves you are buying are only a fraction of your total costs.



I'm not following your logic. I buy used records that I can mark up around 20-25% and price them where they actually sell.

ALL of my other expenses you mention are paid for by that margin the new tariffs (unless they change for the 100th time tomorrow) reduce by 60-75%

The main place I can reluctantly make that up is by cutting back staff hours.


Again, how exactly is this helping the little guy American workers?


This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 1:15 pm
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