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re: UK bans sale of new gasoline and diesel cars starting 2035
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:59 am to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:59 am to tiggerthetooth
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Are you insinuating there is an infinite energy source out there?
Electric vehicles consume resources too.
Not infinite but likely as close as we’d ever get, the sun.
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 7:56 am to Street Hawk
It is just the beginning. Volvo’s entire product line will be electric in a mere five years. Did you see the Porsche Super Bowl commercial? An all electric Taycan leading the way (0-60 in 2.6 sec). Ever watch a Formula E race .... all electric. I won’t be around to see a generation that has no idea what a muscle car exhaust sounds like :-)
Posted on 2/6/20 at 7:59 am to tigernnola
They want everyone on public transportation.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:04 am to Volvagia
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Is the UK government going to give subsidies to the people that can’t afford the ridiculously priced EMVs?
If you can’t afford a 30k car, you probably shouldn’t be looking to buy new.
Yes, because people want to buy a used electric car. I don't know how many battery operated things you've owned, but the longevity of battery operated things has never been all that great. Now I'm sure it's came a long ways with the batteries for electric vehicles, but eventually you will have to replace the battery and I'd bet that they're even more expensive than replacing a motor and transmission in a gas powered car.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:27 am to Janky
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This shite isn't happening you virtue signaling clowns.
Today I learned that being aware that battery technology is progressing and maybe the arguments made 10-15 years ago aren’t as valid today is “virtue signaling”
Or was it being aware of how car manufacturing has flipped and and EVs arent a niche novelty anymore.
No way it happens in the US in 15 years, no.
But you are insane to think that it’s impossible to happen in the UK given how much manufacturing capacity was converted to EVs in the past 24 months.
None of that has anything to do with agreeing with the call to mandate EVs, or the motives behind it.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 9:02 am
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:29 am to tigernnola
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Volvo’s entire product line will be electric in a mere five years.
OT Baws:
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:39 am to Steadyhands
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Yes, because people want to buy a used electric car. I don't know how many battery operated things you've owned, but the longevity of battery operated things has never been all that great.
There is a simple reason (and fix) for that:
Lithium ion batteries really don’t like to be dropped to near zero.
To combat that, EV car manufacturers don’t allow you to even come close to the actual total capacity of the car. Their advertised ranges only use 60-75% of the installed capacity.
As a result, the couple hundred cycles your phone or power tools can do before being degraded in 2-3 years is extended to thousands of cycles extended to 10-15 years of use.
This isn’t new technology or development. Li-ions have always been this way. It’s not even a different built battery, just about managing useage.
And by the time we are hitting that wall, we are talking about being in 2050.
I’m not prepared to bet that in 30 years there is no way there aren’t even more affordable options.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 8:41 am
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:52 am to TigerstuckinMS
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the entire worldwide supply chain of lithium from the mines to final product in fifteen years.
I watched a news special (so quite possibly bullshite) that talked about mining the ocean floor for one of the key components of these batteries. It seems other countries are WAY ahead of securing the leases of the areas that have high concentrations of the minerals, even though we are way ahead with an efficient way to mine them from deep ocean waters although it's pretty destructive to the area. So, if that's true, we could find ourselves in an situation where we're dependent on other countries for the raw materials again. I don't know, the whole thing kinda smelled like bullshite.
I'm like those of you that thought 2035 seems like so far away but that there is no way gasoline powered cars will be outlawed by anywhere close to that in America. Just can't see it, but I guess we'll see.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:14 am to jlovel7
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Not infinite but likely as close as we’d ever get, the sun.
You know you have to build batteries (made out of finite materials that must be mined a processed) to store this (infinite) energy source.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:22 am to Volvagia
It is highly likely that the price and reliability of electric cars will be even or better than traditional motors in 15 years.
Ideally I think you see an even mix of both types of cars. Petroleum products aren't going anywhere as we're reliant on plastic and similar products.
The banning on new gasoline and diesel cars is ridiculous. From a consumer perspective electric cars make a ton of sense considering gas in the UK is about $6/gallon.
Also, the price of solar energy has been plummeting in recent years. Utility-scale solar energy costs $0.06 per kwh according to DoE and is projected to drop to $0.03 per kwh by 2030 in the US.
Ideally I think you see an even mix of both types of cars. Petroleum products aren't going anywhere as we're reliant on plastic and similar products.
The banning on new gasoline and diesel cars is ridiculous. From a consumer perspective electric cars make a ton of sense considering gas in the UK is about $6/gallon.
Also, the price of solar energy has been plummeting in recent years. Utility-scale solar energy costs $0.06 per kwh according to DoE and is projected to drop to $0.03 per kwh by 2030 in the US.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:25 am to Street Hawk
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UK bans sale of new gasoline and diesel cars starting 2035
But where will they put all those spent batteries that are toxic?
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:36 am to Sasquatch Smash
The world's Pollution Champion- China- is also the world's largest electric vehicle consumer market, by a wide margin.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:38 am to SonicAndBareKnuckles
The market and consumers will fix this "problem". There is nothing for gov't to do except get out of the way.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:42 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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It is highly likely that the price and reliability of electric cars will be even or better than traditional motors in 15 years.
Everyone wants to harp on the cost of batteries, but with the lower complexity and moving parts and requisite maint it can balance out.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:45 am to KLSU
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But where will they put all those spent batteries that are toxic?
Between 50% and 96% of the materials used in a LI-Ion battery are recyclable with current technology, depending on the methods used.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:51 am to upgrayedd
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Battery production is just as bad, if not worse than oil production
I hear stuff like this a lot, but never seen any credible evidence. Got a link for that?
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:52 am to Street Hawk
Well that's just fricking stupid.
A. Where do they think the fricking electricity comes from.
B. Mining for the materials to make the lithium Ion batteries is extremely harmful to the environment.
fricking gubment for ya ….
A. Where do they think the fricking electricity comes from.
B. Mining for the materials to make the lithium Ion batteries is extremely harmful to the environment.
fricking gubment for ya ….
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:58 am to Buryl
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I hear stuff like this a lot, but never seen any credible evidence. Got a link for that?
Sweet lawd, literally any search engine can help you out..
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The mining process of lithium uses large amounts of water. Therefore, on top of water contamination as a result of its use, depletion or transportation costs are issues to be dealt with. Depletion results in less available water for local populations, flora and fauna.
but for those that can't manage.. This alone should tell you that it's not good. and that just immediate impact.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 10:00 am to DarkDrifter
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But towing and hauling are actually big problems for electrics, because doing so with even a modest load can drain the batteries quickly. RV Travel, an online newsletter serving recreational-vehicle owners, calculated that a Cybertruck towing a typical RV-style trailer would have to stop every 72 miles to recharge.
This technology has a long way to go. Baws aren't trading in their F150s and Silverados for that.
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This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 10:01 am
Posted on 2/6/20 at 10:10 am to fallguy_1978
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This technology has a long way to go. Baws aren't trading in their F150s and Silverados for that.
I would have to stop 3 times to charge just to get to the lake house? frick that. I will keep my shitty F-150.
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