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re: UK bans sale of new gasoline and diesel cars starting 2035
Posted on 2/6/20 at 10:14 am to Buryl
Posted on 2/6/20 at 10:14 am to Buryl
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I hear stuff like this a lot, but never seen any credible evidence. Got a link for that?
I used to work for a mining company. Mines, in general, in the US do a fairly decent job of minimizing impact. The third world, however, does not.
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 10:18 am to DarkDrifter
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The mining process of lithium uses large amounts of water. Therefore, on top of water contamination as a result of its use, depletion or transportation costs are issues to be dealt with. Depletion results in less available water for local populations, flora and fauna.
Mines in place where water is scarce tend to reuse their water as much as possible while bringing in supplemental water resources. On sites where I've been, the mine has to retain any water that touches mineralized rock.
But, like I said, the third world (where these resources will likely come from) won't care about any of that.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 10:25 am to Janky
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I would have to stop 3 times to charge just to get to the lake house? frick that. I will keep my shitty F-150.
If you could find a charging station in some rural area. And you'd have to wait for it to charge.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 10:27 am to fallguy_1978
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If you could find a charging station in some rural area. And you'd have to wait for it to charge.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:45 am to Volvagia
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It’s actually cheaper at equivalent economy’s of scale.
Try that again when it's actually put into practice, not the fever-dreams of those just guessing.
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I guess you weren’t aware of how long the industry has been pushing research into this: this isn’t the initial pie of the sky predictions. This is end stage refinement. The thing I’m referring to has already generated functional prototypes at a pilot plant. Independent of that, Sony is starting the flip away from Li-ion next year.
I'm vastly better educated than you are, on this particular topic as well as automotive engineering as a whole. Sony is doing no such thing, as the absolute best energy densities from known and proven mass-produced Li-based cells, and not any other chemistry. I've read the studies so don't spin that bullshite here kid.
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Hence the breakthrough. They are using a quarter of lithium for equivalent energy storage, and real world deployment field tests starts in 6 months in Australia’s solar farm banks.
No, once again you are either ignorant about what a "breakthrough" is or just being dishonest in trying to support your argument. You are trying to parrot the recent headlines made by Monash University, which hasn't made a "breakthrough" in terms of technology as much as made a larger potential market for Australia's domestic lithium production. Real-world Li-S cells are at best 350 Wh/kg while gasoline is still over 12,000 Wh/kg and if looking at it from a volumetric standpoint gasoline is vastly superior in every practical way when it comes to automotive use.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:37 pm to Clames
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Try that again when it's actually put into practice, not the fever-dreams of those just guessing
I mean, it’s not rocket science. The fundamental assembly process isn’t that different, with the bulk of the cost coming from cobalt. Using sulfur based cathodes results in both a less toxic and cheaper result, albiet with additional chemistry technical issues to be resolved.
Arguing otherwise is like saying fuel cells wouldn’t be cheaper if they could make them with no platinum.
And no, while I’m aware and directly referred to the Monash announcement, when I was speaking of breakthroughs I wasn’t talking to them. They didn’t pioneer the tech. They are merely acting on it.
Here is when the lab level work was being done.... nearly six years ago LINK
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Sony is doing no such thing, as the absolute best energy densities from known and proven mass-produced Li-based cells, and not any other chemistry.
Uh huh. So mr so well informed.....Sony hasn’t been vocal about their investments in Li-S and Mg-S cells for years?
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You are trying to parrot the recent headlines made by Monash University, which hasn't made a "breakthrough" in terms of technology as much as made a larger potential market for Australia's domestic lithium production
Your point precisely? That an marketable application that happened to spreads usage of lithium is not relevant?
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Real-world Li-S cells are at best 350 Wh/kg while gasoline is still over 12,000 Wh/kg and if looking at it from a volumetric standpoint gasoline is vastly superior in every practical way when it comes to automotive use.
No one claimed batteries were a more efficient form of energy storage by weight compared to gas. So take that strawman back home. Also, it seems a little disingenuous that an automotive expert would pit gas vs electric with out correcting for the relative efficiencies of ICE vs electric motor. Not that it changes the overall landscape...it just seems odd. I guess ~4K vs ~400 isn’t enough of a difference for you.
But I digress...I’m sorry, are you attacking EV as a concept here? Because it isn’t theoretical anymore. It’s real. And every year, people are buying more and more cars. Hell, Tesla sold more cars after the subsidy phase out started than before.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:37 pm to Street Hawk
As far as I know electric vehicles in Louisiana are not paying any road use taxes. How is this legal or fair??
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:42 pm to Hankg
They still have to pay road use taxes that are rolled in with the sales taxes and crap at purchase, but you are right insofar that because the current tax model piggybacks road use with gas use....electric cars side step it.
I imagine that loophole will be closed in a few years.
I imagine that loophole will be closed in a few years.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 1:17 pm to Volvagia
LA will probably keep the gas tax the same but just add on a generic electricity road tax
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