re: Two children hit by car in University Club subdivision taken to hospital

Are there sidewalks in that neighborhood or are people forced to walk in the street?

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Adults, usually men, would easily go 40+ mph down our street,

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Yep. I know I don’t have a built in radar gun but some look to be going 40-50 down my street. I worry about my own kids or dog running out there to get a ball or something without checking as good as they know they should.

What is the speed limit in U-Club?

As an old dad, I now realize how fast 30mph is for most neighborhoods. I've lived in a subdivision where the HOA tries to lower it, and it's a legal PITA. I wish all subdivisions would default to 20mph or less. 30mph in the new, densely populated developments is just way too fast.

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What is the speed limit in U-Club?

As an old dad, I now realize how fast 30mph is for most neighborhoods.

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I'm pretty sure it is 25mph where the kids were hit.

I'm honestly amazed stuff like this doesn't have more often. U Club has tons of kids riding bikes, scooters, and yes golf carts(that is a different story). Tons of drivers going way too fast and way too distracted by their phones.

A friend of mine lived relatively close to where these kids were hit. He loved the neighborhood(and had young kids at the time) but said it was like the Indy 500 in front of his house. They moved to a different part of the neighborhood at the end of a cul de sac for safety reasons.

Now the golf carts- there seems to be a couple of golf cart accidents involving pre-teen drivers a year. These almost always are the pre-teen drivers fault.

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Plenty of cameras. But gate check in is from dusk to dawn.

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Why dont they have gate check there during the day?

Kids are distracted by phones as well these days, oblivious to their surroundings. Another factor, Cars used to be loud which helped as a warning, although noise canceling earbuds would still prevent hearing vehicle. Electric vehicles are TOO quiet, many people will wind up being hit by them. Overall more distractions for drivers & pedestrians alike.

Second hand info, but should be reliable.

1 should be released today.

Other had Impact to head from passenger side mirror and then leg injury from back of vehicle. Not reported to be serious head injury as of now.

Edit; I’ll delete if anyone says I was misinformed

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A friend of mine lived relatively close to where these kids were hit. He loved the neighborhood(and had young kids at the time) but said it was like the Indy 500 in front of his house. They moved to a different part of the neighborhood at the end of a cul de sac for safety reasons.

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What a complete over-exaggeration. It's not "like the Indy 500". Particularly at the part of the road where the children were hit. That's at the very beginning of Memorial Tower Dr.. So unless you are really gunning it as soon as you turn left from the intersection, you aren't reaching "Indy 500" speeds at that portion.

As others have mentioned, particular circumstances helped bring about yesterday's events. The parking lot for the gym/pool/tennis courts/playground was closed because it was being repainted. Many people who were using those facilities parked along side the road. That area with the playground and pool often has a lot of kids there on a summer afternoon. These kids were crossing the street when they were hit. As a driver, usually you see kids about to cross the street because there are no (or very few) cars parked on the side of the road. The kids can also clearly see the cars coming before they cross. But yesterday the kids (likely) ran out into the road from between two cars. The kids may not have been careful enough to see if traffic was coming and the driver probably didn't see the kids between the cars until they ran out into the road.

Pre-teens driving golf carts with little awareness is a MUCH bigger problem. Pedestrians getting hit isn't and likely would not have happened yesterday but for the unique circumstances

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Many people who were using those facilities parked along side the road. That area with the playground and pool often has a lot of kids there on a summer afternoon. These kids were crossing the street when they were hit. As a driver, usually you see kids about to cross the street because there are no (or very few) cars parked on the side of the road. The kids can also clearly see the cars coming before they cross. But yesterday the kids (likely) ran out into the road from between two cars. The kids may not have been careful enough to see if traffic was coming and the driver probably didn't see the kids between the cars until they ran out into the road.

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This is a huge contributing factor to kids getting hit in neighborhoods.

While neighborhood kids were walking down my street to get to school, many parents carpooled to the neighborhood if they lived the next neighborhood over. They would pull over along the sides of our street and either unload kids or park to walk the younger kids to the crosswalk.

So you had cars pulling in and out of spots along the side of our street, hundreds of kids walking down and across the streets and many adults (again, mostly men) driving those same streets to get to work, all at the same time.

In those circumstances, 30 mph is not a reasonable speed to drive down that street and drivers should slow down as needed. They should also be constantly looking for a kid to dart out in between cars. Because they will no matter how much they are warned not to. They are excited to see their friends in the morning and walk together, horse around and toss/kick balls on the way to school.

Really sad I had to go the public shaming route to get adults to drive safely during that time but I did what I did and it worked. Would have loved to hear those conversations when those husbands got home from work. (FYI our neighborhood is 70+% sahm so probably why the men were the biggest problem).