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re: Tuberville on inner city teachers: ‘I don’t know whether they can read and write’
Posted on 5/26/23 at 3:18 pm to SantaFe
Posted on 5/26/23 at 3:18 pm to SantaFe
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The math teacher next door has to teach them how to divide fractions but half the class only knows the multiplication table up to 6.
True story from a few weeks ago. If a student finishes their work for me early, I allow them to get on their chromebooks and go to a few educational websites or work on things for other classes.
A few students had finished, and I was monitoring their online activity on Go Guardian. One student was working on something for math class. In the midst of working the problem, I watched him open a new tab, Google “calculator”, find a link to an online calculator, open it, and type in 8X4. It didn’t surprise me at all.
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Posted on 5/26/23 at 3:36 pm to SpotCheckBilly
Agreed 100%.
I’m the son of a retired teacher so this isn’t just me bashing the profession. From my experience, the mostly women who major in education fit into two camps. The first group is a small percentage who could do anything but have a passion for helping kids. These tend to burn out quickly once they get a taste of reality. My kids have had two different outstanding teachers who gave it up to become successful lawyers because they figured they should actually get paid for all their work, and shockingly, working in big law is less of an administrative hassle than teaching.
The second group is much larger and is comprised of people who either A. Can’t do anything else and couldn’t pass their own tests without an answer sheet, or B. Are really looking to get an Mrs degree, want their summers off with lots of other breaks, and like the near 100% job security.
I’m the son of a retired teacher so this isn’t just me bashing the profession. From my experience, the mostly women who major in education fit into two camps. The first group is a small percentage who could do anything but have a passion for helping kids. These tend to burn out quickly once they get a taste of reality. My kids have had two different outstanding teachers who gave it up to become successful lawyers because they figured they should actually get paid for all their work, and shockingly, working in big law is less of an administrative hassle than teaching.
The second group is much larger and is comprised of people who either A. Can’t do anything else and couldn’t pass their own tests without an answer sheet, or B. Are really looking to get an Mrs degree, want their summers off with lots of other breaks, and like the near 100% job security.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 3:57 pm to NOLAVOL16
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The second group is much larger and is comprised of people who either A. Can’t do anything else and couldn’t pass their own tests without an answer sheet, or B. Are really looking to get an Mrs degree, want their summers off with lots of other breaks, and like the near 100% job security.
I’ve only known a few who would be “A.” When it comes to mediocre to poor teachers, the overwhelming majority are “B.”, in my experience.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:03 pm to High C
Agreed. The ditzy blonde majoring in education is a stereotype for a reason though.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:03 pm to High C
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I’ve only known a few who would be “A.” When it comes to mediocre to poor teachers, the overwhelming majority are “B.”, in my experience.
What I've seen personally a few times are good, motivated, well-intentioned teachers being ground down by the shitty, political environment fostered at most schools. They eventually come to either be unwilling or unable to continue the fight and either quit or check out mentally and emotionally and bide their time until the earliest possible retirement opportunity.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:06 pm to StringedInstruments
He's not wrong. And those teachers have high salaries and pensions
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:06 pm to Lakeboy7
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I met Tubbs in Iraq, he was doing a USO tour with Mack Brown and Bob Davie.
I would be shocked if Tubbs can read and write at a 6th grade level.
I don't agree with the man politically so I'm going to say he can't read or write better than a 12 year old
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:12 pm to rpg37
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Tuberville, whether you agree or not, hurt the GOP with these comments. Teachers are a large voting bloc and this was a dumb comment to make publicly. Inner-city teaching is borderline dangerous positions to hold. There are a lot of great teachers out there who would never do the job if they had to do them in these schools. So, quite often, the best teachers go to the best districts leaving new teachers and the not-as-good ones left to get jobs at bad districts. But, to suggest they cannot read and write is just not a good look.
frick them, sorry the truth hurts!
We need national school choice where the money follows the kid. Starve the Public PoS waste of money “public servants” with bloated Admin staffs. Let some capitalism torch the current set up down and the Teachers Unions with them.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:20 pm to StringedInstruments
Having taught in Baton Rouge for 17 years, I can honestly say he isn't far off. Many of the most brilliant people I know are teachers, but just like in any field, many others are not qualified for the job. These teacher come in all shades. They still speak and act the way the did growing up. This is exacerbated when you have a teacher who grew up in the hood, went to school in the hood, went to college in the hood (Southern), and now teaches in the hood. I know A LOT of teachers who have really never seen anything outside of their home city.
The simple facts are:
There is a teacher shortage.
When there is a labor shortage, you address it by raising wages, lowering hiring standards, or replace with technology. The government of Louisiana and many other states have chosen the first option. There is a push here to lower the necessary education for a teaching certification to an associate degree.
Lack of support from administrators and fear of litigation are driving many who can do other things to do those other things. (I have a student coming up next year who has an IEP (special ed.) twenty pages long. His mom, literally, brings a lawyer to parent-teacher conferences. She gives her kid filming devices to try to catch teachers not following the letter of the IEP.)
Things will only get worse.
The simple facts are:
There is a teacher shortage.
When there is a labor shortage, you address it by raising wages, lowering hiring standards, or replace with technology. The government of Louisiana and many other states have chosen the first option. There is a push here to lower the necessary education for a teaching certification to an associate degree.
Lack of support from administrators and fear of litigation are driving many who can do other things to do those other things. (I have a student coming up next year who has an IEP (special ed.) twenty pages long. His mom, literally, brings a lawyer to parent-teacher conferences. She gives her kid filming devices to try to catch teachers not following the letter of the IEP.)
Things will only get worse.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:23 pm to High C
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I watched him open a new tab, Google “calculator”, find a link to an online calculator, open it, and type in 8X4.
If this surprises you then don’t actually teach at a city school, where high school kids need a calculator to ADD 8+4. And yes, this is true for low level math classes and it’s even worse than you think.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:33 pm to Downeast12
My last sentence was, “It didn’t surprise me at all.” 
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:44 pm to StringedInstruments
Demonizing teachers is a super interesting route to go considering most teachers have absolute shite funding and are forced to buy their own supplies for their classrooms. Not to mention a huge portion of parents suck and expect teachers to do their job of raising the kid. Teachers are underpaid and under appreciated and frankly the last group of people who should he criticized for the bs they put up with.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
My wife taught inner city BR schools for many years, she used to come home with stories about the ignorance of her fellow teachers that was mind boggling. Teachers that thought the moon was at least 100 miles away, teachers that didn't understand time zones, teachers who thought Europe was a county.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:51 pm to ChiGator
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Not to mention a huge portion of parents suck
This here is the elephant in the room and non one will say it. Not the left, not the right. You can't stop a kid with a good support system from learning, no matter how many obstacles you throw in the way. And a kid with no support system has the odds stacked against him, no matter how much you try to help him in school.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:54 pm to Auburntiger
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The Constitution sets three qualifications for service in the U.S. Senate: age (at least thirty years of age); U.S. citizenship (at least nine years); and residency in the state a senator represents at time of election.
What does the Constitution say about teaching qualifications?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 5:08 pm to StringedInstruments
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uberville’s questioning of the teachers brings up an often ignored aspect of schools.
There are teachers teaching who aren’t qualified to teach.
yet neither you nor tommy will sign up to go do the job yourselves. all you want to do is talk about it.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 5:10 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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but I’d like to know what qualifies Tuberville for his job.
There really isn’t a qualification for holding office and there was never meant to be one.
People like you and vote for you and you’re supposed to represent their interests. That’s it
Posted on 5/26/23 at 5:13 pm to StringedInstruments
I take it all back Tubby. Every single time I called you a no good cheating cocksucker. I ain't even mad about the cigars no more. We good
Posted on 5/26/23 at 5:31 pm to NOLAVOL16
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Agreed. The ditzy blonde majoring in education is a stereotype for a reason though.
Yeah, I think most of those are elementary. I’m secondary.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 7:10 pm to rpg37
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Tuberville, whether you agree or not, hurt the GOP with these comments. Teachers are a large voting bloc and this was a dumb comment to make publicly. Inner-city teaching is borderline dangerous positions to hold. There are a lot of great teachers out there who would never do the job if they had to do them in these schools. So, quite often, the best teachers go to the best districts leaving new teachers and the not-as-good ones left to get jobs at bad districts. But, to suggest they cannot read and write is just not a good look.
Let me see if I understand you... You are saying that absent Tuberville's comments, inner city teacher's votes would be in play for the GOP? Uh okay.
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