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True cost of fueling an electric vehicle may be as much as $17.33 per gallon of gas

Posted on 10/27/23 at 6:46 am
Posted by Death Before Disco
Member since Dec 2009
6176 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 6:46 am
Interesting, if true.
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EV advocates claim that the cost of electricity for EV owners is equal to $1.21 per gallon of gasoline (Edison Electric Institute, 2021), but the cost of charging equipment and charging losses, averaged out over 10 years and 120,000 miles, is $1.38 per gallon equivalent on top of that. Adding the costs of the subsidies to the true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying $17.33 per gallon of gasoline. And these estimates do not include the hundreds of billions more in subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act (2022) for various aspects of the EV supply chain, particularly for battery manufacturing. It is not an overstatement to say that the federal government is subsidizing EVs to a greater degree than even wind and solar electricity generation and embarking on an unprecedented endeavor to remake the entire American auto industry.
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Key Points
• The cost of producing electric vehicles (EVs) is far higher than the prices they are being sold for . Nearly $22 billion in federal and state subsidies and regulatory credits suppressed the retail price of EVs in 2021 by an average of almost $50,000 .
• Thanks to an unlawful multiplier, EVs receive nearly seven times more credits under federal fuel efficiency programs than they provide in actual fuel economy benefits.
• Regulatory credits with bonus EV multipliers from federal fuel efficiency and greenhouse gas emissions standards and state EV sales mandates provide an average of $27,881 in benefits per vehicle for producers of EVs .
• Home and public charging stations used by EVs put a significant strain on the electric grid, resulting in an average of $11,833 in socialized costs per EV over 10 years, which are shouldered by utility ratepayers and taxpayers .
• Direct state and federal subsidies for EVs average $8,984 per vehicle over 10 years


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Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42554 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 6:53 am to
When the politicians give up their gas vehicles and gas planes I’ll think about it
Posted by Tshiz
Idaho
Member since Jul 2013
7569 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 6:54 am to
Get this logic out of here. Democrats won’t believe it
Posted by WB Davis
Member since May 2018
2064 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 6:55 am to
Texas Policy Foundation is a right-wing advocacy group funded by Koch Industries and private prison owners.

I'm no fan of electric vehicles, but I wouldn't call this a credible source of information.

RA'd for Poli board.

ETA (via WP):



This post was edited on 10/27/23 at 7:33 am
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
52973 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 6:56 am to
And having to tell your parents you’re gay
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89518 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:00 am to
Boondoggle.
Posted by Gifman
by the mountains
Member since Jan 2021
9307 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:00 am to
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RA'd for Poli board.


Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13880 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:04 am to
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True cost of fueling an electric vehicle may be as much as $17.33 per gallon of gas
it’s because of the oil and gas depreciation and subsidies. billjamin korkstand et al where y’all at bebe??
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31495 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:16 am to
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right-wing =|= Koch Industries
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53760 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:18 am to
Sweet...I didnt know all ICE vehicles needed was gasoline. It's a good thing prices for those vehicles didn't rise at all during supply chain shortages in 2022 and that they are immune to that problem.

Thank goodness for right wing foundations publishing unbiased studies that show the real truth so we can all be informed and see things from all angles.
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
2440 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:18 am to
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Texas Policy Foundation is a right-wing advocacy group funded by Koch Industries and private prison owners. I'm no fan of electric vehicles, but I wouldn't call this a credible source of information. RA'd for Poli board.



Folks, this response tells me everything in the report is true.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Arkansas
Member since Jun 2009
13235 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:19 am to
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electric vehicle
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17461 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:19 am to
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I wouldn't call this a credible source of information.


Anyone that doesn’t toe the party line is not credible guys!

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WB Davis


Ahhh, the biggest brainwashed Prog of them all!
Posted by pankReb
Defending National Champs Fan
Member since Mar 2009
64514 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:20 am to
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Texas Policy Foundation is a right-wing advocacy group funded by Koch Industries and private prison owners.

I'm no fan of electric vehicles, but I wouldn't call this a credible source of information.



ok....then prove it wrong.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98745 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:21 am to
No shite...

Anyone with even half a brain could figure that out.

Which is why people of a certain political persuasion cannot.
Posted by bad93ex
Member since Sep 2018
27174 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:23 am to
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Texas Policy Foundation is a right-wing advocacy group funded by Koch Industries and private prison owners.



I am surprised you didn't throw out the ole "Far-Right"
Posted by wheelr
Member since Jul 2012
5147 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:25 am to
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billjamin korkstand et al where y’all at bebe??


About to have another weekend spent defending EVs on an internet message board.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12896 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:26 am to
And... still gotta generate electricity. Which is at capacity in some area... using fossil fuels for the most part.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14962 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:32 am to
My buddy sent me his stats on the number of miles he drove and his fuel cost at the superchargers.



Over 4700 miles, his model 3 was cheaper to drive than my f150 by a whopping $60.


I told him I’d keep the truck.
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
1990 posts
Posted on 10/27/23 at 7:39 am to
So Koch is cutting the legs out from under their 100 million $ Standard Lithium investment.
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