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Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:34 am to gaetti15
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Idk id like my military pilots to know how to handle densely trafficked areas at night time.
This. Who gives a shite if "most" bases are in the desert. If you're stationed in DC, training/knowing how to do ops in the middle of the desert does frick all to help you for any potential actual scenarios
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:36 am to TDsngumbo
quote:Yeah. We tortured the guy who suggested that a lot of deaths on the plane would be from drowning. Might have to rethink that.
That's terrible to watch. You can see how the plane just flips over and over until crashing into the river. Those poor people who weren't sitting at the point of impact must've been terrified.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:38 am to mmcgrath
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We tortured the guy who suggested that a lot of deaths on the plane would be from drowning. Might have to rethink that.
Why? Dropping 400' out of the sky is almost certain death, and that's before you consider the speed they were travelling prior to dropping out the sky.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:46 am to LNCHBOX
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Why? Dropping 400' out of the sky is almost certain death, and that's before you consider the speed they were travelling prior to dropping out the sky.
I could be wrong, but I think I read somewhere in this thread the airplane was going something like 150 MPH when the helo hit it.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 9:47 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:52 am to Darth_Vader
I was wondering how high up they were. On video it didn't seem that high.
From my untrained idiot eye, it looked like some could'v survived.
It's so unusual to see things ilke this..
From my untrained idiot eye, it looked like some could'v survived.
It's so unusual to see things ilke this..
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:53 am to 257WBY
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I’m guessing a bunch of military brass will no longer be able to use helicopters as Taxis in the DC area when this all shakes out.
My guess is they use them for politicians as well.
That video is terrible, looks like he had plenty of visual to see the plane and still hit it. Something is odd about this whole event.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:03 am to TDsngumbo
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How the hell did they not see that plane?
The only thing is if they were using night vision. Peripheral vision, depth perception is all greatly impacted in a negative way.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:04 am to HerkFlyer
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I’ve also heard the tower controller was working arrivals and departures,
That’s how it works at most FAA Towers. The Local controller clears aircraft to takeoff, land, or transition the airport. After that they are switched over to a TRACON (Radar Approach Control) and a sent on their way. Vise versa for arrivals. I’ve heard that Reagan Tower has a separate position for helo traffic which is normally staffed during peak hours. There are normally 2 or more positions in each tower, one being ground control.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 10:06 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:05 am to tunechi
In this case though the scenarios seem to be getting generals and politicians to lunch appointments.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:11 am to LarryCLE
Our military doesn't win anymore
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:15 am to SirWinston
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Our military doesn't win anymore
What would an AUTIST/INCEL/VERTICALLY CHALLENGED "man" know about the military?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:15 am to tunechi
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This. Who gives a shite if "most" bases are in the desert. If you're stationed in DC, training/knowing how to do ops in the middle of the desert does frick all to help you for any potential actual scenarios
It’s really dumb to do this near an airport. That’s the primary cause of this accident. People make mistakes, minimize shots on goal.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:18 am to HerkFlyer
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It’s usually center controllers where the workload isn’t as high.
I’ve worked at two different Centers and one Approach Control. The workload isn’t any less at a Center.The traffic may require more transmissions at an Approach but the workload is basically the same, some more some less. But, they are two different animals.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:22 am to Tempratt
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I was wondering how high up they were. On video it didn't seem that high.
From my untrained idiot eye, it looked like some could'v survived.
A couple of hundred feet at least. If the helo was supposed to be at 200' then that at least. If Google is correct a free fall from 200 feet has you at roughly 77 mph when you hit the water. Doing some physics calculations on Google that means hitting the water with over 5,400 pounds of force.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:25 am to GatorOnAnIsland
I’ve worked at a center and also a busy up/down. In my experience they are two completely different jobs.
At a center you have more of a big picture aspect. There is generally more complexity than approach but you have far more time to make plans and decisions.
Approach control is way more fun and dynamic. Centers have the better technology and functionality with ERAM. The tower portion of my up/down was pretty boring.
At a center you have more of a big picture aspect. There is generally more complexity than approach but you have far more time to make plans and decisions.
Approach control is way more fun and dynamic. Centers have the better technology and functionality with ERAM. The tower portion of my up/down was pretty boring.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 10:29 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:29 am to DrrTiger
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To me, the issue of the chopper being higher than 200 feet seems secondary to it flying directly across airspace used by landing jets. But I’m no expert.
In an extremely crowded area for aircraft, I can sorta see why they do it.
Planes landing follow a certain glide slope in. Knowing they have to be a 0 AGL at a certain point of the runway you can figure that minimum height along the path in is always going to y (using y=mx) slope formula. If you know that on the east side of the river y > 350', you can have a helo fly perpendicular at 200' and still have 150' of clearance even if the pathways intersect.
In this case they expected the helo to be below, but also pass behind, the plane so not only do you have vertical clearance but horizontal as well.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:35 am to PJinAtl
Random questions-
Around what speed would this plane have been going at impact?
What speed are most planes carrying when they touch down?
Around what speed would this plane have been going at impact?
What speed are most planes carrying when they touch down?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:41 am to Kingpenm3
I believe it's been stated in this thread many times, about 150 mph at impact.
I would not think that the landing speed would be much lower than that...
I would not think that the landing speed would be much lower than that...
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:50 am to TDsngumbo
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Those poor people who weren't sitting at the point of impact must've been terrified.
Who wouldn't be sitting? The rule at that point of the flight is that you are seated and belted in. Not one person should be out of their seats including flight attendants.
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