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Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:58 am to tilco
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:58 am to tilco
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So I’ve read this helicopter was 200ft too high and a 1/2 mile off course. How is that allowed to happen? Shouldn’t the instructor have corrected the pilot?
That coupled with the footage really has me thinking something evil happened.
People give our military far too much credit. We have so many humiliating frick ups that they blend together. The sailors being taken hostage by a little Iranian frigate, the f35 just a couple days ago slamming to the ground while the cuck pilot sheepishly floats to the ground right next to it, the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan with poor civilians dropping from the wheel wells. That was blamed on Biden but our soldiers also fricked that up bigly if you want to be honest
Its a disgrace and has been since at least the Obama years.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 12:01 pm
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:59 am to TDsngumbo
The ones ive used are like looking through toilet paper tubes. Almost no peripheral vision. I understand the 4 tube ones are much better but I don't think thats standard issue stuff.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:01 pm to WestSideTiger
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The fact the helo requested and was granted VFR complicates matters as it gives them more freedom to operate. Should have never been granted in this location and situation. That may be something that changes.
This is why it's not 100% on the helicopter. ATC will take some blame from one guy covering two jobs. Sure, they say it's normal to do that when traffic is lighter but traffic isn't light at DCA at 7:45 pm.
People like to think controllers are trained well and infallible but they're still humans. This guy had a lot on his plate and when he was able to let the blackhawk fly by sight and remove it from his plate and jumped at the opportunity to dump one of his problems.
Mostly likely, blackhawk crew fricked up by not ID'ing the plane and ATC fricked up by being a lazy POS.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:05 pm to The Boat
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This is why it's not 100% on the helicopter. ATC will take some blame from one guy covering two jobs. Sure, they say it's normal to do that when traffic is lighter but traffic isn't light at DCA at 7:45 pm.
The idea of having training flights at that location and that time is the most retarded thing I've ever heard
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Why would they be using night vision in the middle of a lit up major metro?
It wasn't just an annual requalify flight, but also a part of a bigger "continuity of government" exercise.
Don't know the exact scenario but possibly was something like "An EMP device has knocked out power and communications in DC. Helo 125 is picking up the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs at the Pentagon and taking them to Andrews to board an airborne command and control center."
In that situation night vision goggles would be a must. What's the old saying, you play like you practice.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:07 pm to TDsngumbo
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I don't know why people suggesting the idea that this could've been intentional get downvoted so much.
For every bit of evidence this was a mistake you can find a piece of evidence that suggests it was intentional.
I think it’s far too early to dismiss either possibility. And to do so is simply foolish.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:07 pm to TDsngumbo
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I don't know why people suggesting the idea that this could've been intentional get downvoted
Problem I have with the theory is the other pilot should be able to counter anything nefarious like that especially in a training situation. Even if not completely take over it wouldn’t have taken much movement to prevent if they were aware. Also you’d almost have to include whoever made the decision to switch runways in the scheme. And I can’t think of a more target rich environment than that area to do something sinister so why choose that one? It was an accident.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:10 pm to Darth_Vader
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I think it’s far too early to dismiss either possibility. And to do so is simply foolish.
The fact there have been previous near collisions near DCA means this was probably another in a string of incidents that ended badly this time. I find it hard to think the female pilot incapacitated the two male crew to the point where she could pull this off. It's not a Germanwings incident where the co-pilot was able to slip some poo meds in the captains drink and lock him out of the cabin with the post-9/11 doors.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:11 pm to bikerack
quote:That still doesn't make sense.quote:
Why would they be using night vision in the middle of a lit up major metro?
To be recertified to fly while wearing it
I'm no expert, but there's a difference between "real" nightvision goggles and the cheap IR cameras with flashlights that most people are familiar with. Because the real thing would be trashed by the amount of light coming from DC metro area. They are intended for actual blackout conditions.
Watch this video. LINK
Actual legit nightvision would be washed out by the light from DC. Notice the cigarette in the video? Now imagine actual floodlights like you get at an airport and city.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:13 pm to The Boat
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The fact there have been previous near collisions near DCA means this was probably another in a string of incidents that ended badly this time. I find it hard to think the female pilot incapacitated the two male crew to the point where she could pull this off. It's not a Germanwings incident where the co-pilot was able to slip some poo meds in the captains drink and lock him out of the cabin with the post-9/11 doors.
I never said it was likely this was intentional. I’m just saying, as far as the investigation goes, they have to rule out the possibility of it being intentional before totally discounting it.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:25 pm to The Boat
quote:We don't know who was piloting at the time. The data recorder hopefully tells us which chair was flying. The only voice we heard on the radio was a male voice.
I find it hard to think the female pilot incapacitated the two male crew to the point where she could pull this off.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:28 pm to PJinAtl
quote:In that scenario the emp would knock out the airports lights and you wouldn't have planes trying to land.
Don't know the exact scenario but possibly was something like "An EMP device has knocked out power and communications in DC. Helo 125 is picking up the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs at the Pentagon and taking them to Andrews to board an airborne command and control center."
In that situation night vision goggles would be a must. What's the old saying, you play like you practice.
But i get it, there could be some scenario they were trying to practice. But playing war games next to a busy airport is reckless bordering on criminal.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:29 pm to mmcgrath
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We don't know who was piloting at the time. The data recorder hopefully tells us which chair was flying. The only voice we heard on the radio was a male voice.
It's been fully reported it was a woman flying on an evaluation flight.
Sure, one of the men could have taken out the other two and done it but it's even less likely either of the men with wife and kids did that. The Germanwings co-pilot was an incel suicidal loser.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:36 pm to The Boat
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It's been fully reported it was a woman flying on an evaluation flight.
I believe the reporting is she was the pilot being evaluated by the male instructor pilot. That doesn’t necessarily mean she had the stick at the moment of impact. I’ve not seen any reporting verifying who was in control of the chopper at that moment. And I don’t think we’ll get confirmation until the chopper’s black box is recovered and analyzed. Until then, we’re really just guessing.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:38 pm to Darth_Vader
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Until then, we’re really just guessing.
What is this thread for?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:39 pm to SirWinston
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The idea of having training flights at that location and that time is the most retarded thing I've ever heard
It happens all the time though. I was stationed in D.C. from 2019-2023 and you would see helicopters flying over the Potomac near to Reagan National on most nights. I never thought anything of it at the time.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:43 pm to mmcgrath
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We don't know who was piloting at the time. The data recorder hopefully tells us which chair was flying. The only voice we heard on the radio was a male voice.
Do military aircraft (fixed wing or rotor wing) have flight data recorders/cockpit voice recorders?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:46 pm to mmcgrath
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Don't know the exact scenario but possibly was something like "An EMP device has knocked out power and communications in DC. Helo 125 is picking up the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs at the Pentagon and taking them to Andrews to board an airborne command and control center."
In that situation night vision goggles would be a must. What's the old saying, you play like you practice.
In that scenario the emp would knock out the airports lights and you wouldn't have planes trying to land.
Right. Go look at the video I posted, comparing "real" night vision vs IR.
On nightvision, a guy has a cigarette, and it completely washes his face out. Looks like a halogen spotlight.
Now, imagine what all the actual halogen spotlights from the airfield and the city would be doing to that. Everything would be whited out.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:55 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Does a Blackhawk have TCAS.
No. Apparently it's a very rare system for helos due to altitudes they fly at
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:56 pm to TDsngumbo
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For every bit of evidence this was a mistake you can find a piece of evidence that suggests it was intentional.
Completely untrue.
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