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re: Today is the 17 year anniversary of the 'Killdozer'
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:29 am to baldona
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:29 am to baldona
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It sounds like a normal person could have sold for a profit, cut their losses, and moved on.
But he didn't want to. He wanted to keep his shop open. He had money. He wasn't wealthy but money was never his motivation.
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Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:31 am to stout
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The shooting at cops I see as more of a deterrent.
Enjoyable story about this insane man aside...I'm sure most people who shoot at cops claim it was a deterrent, likely to stop the cops from stopping them from whatever criminal activity they are engaged in.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:33 am to A Smoke Break
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Dude was off his rocker obviously
Quite the contrary.
He went specifically out of his way to not kill anyone. He just wanted to destroy as MUCH property as possible of those specific people who destroyed his livelihood.
Honestly I would have done the same.
bullshite. You would not have done the same, and no one does that without some screws loose.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:33 am to lsu777
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I also find it funny that killdozer is held up as a hero by those that hate government but Mcvay is shunned
There were kids killed in the OKC bombing right? I don't think Heemeyer went into it knowing that kids would be killed. In fact, I don't know if he intended to kill anyone. He just wanted to frick things up.
I understand what you are saying and you do have a point, but I don't think you can compare the two.
Local politics has a direct impact on the people and if I recall, they were fricking with him and how he made a living..
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:34 am to stout
Why did he kill himself? Could have a made a mint selling those lol
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:34 am to stout
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But he didn't want to. He wanted to keep his shop open. He had money. He wasn't wealthy but money was never his motivation.
So was he pushed into not having options or not? You are now applauding a guy that just didn’t get his way? Good on you I guess.
Politics sometimes suck but that’s life. This guy wasn’t forced into anything, he had a clear way out and chose to go crazy.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:35 am to fr33manator
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I’ve see some stupid takes but...woof.
Tell me one thing that I said that was wrong.
I didn't say I supported TM killing children, in fact I have posted many times it was a chicken shite way to go about it and dispicable if he truly thought the US government and Janet Reno was at war with its citizens. If he wanted to go to war with the fed government than do so on their home turf and go after the ones you thought declared it (atf and reno)
But the intent of killdozer, Andrew stack(flew plane into irs building) and OKC was the same....to declare war on the government.
Killdozer and stack are declared heros and TM is a physcopath(he was). I just think it's ironic.
I also think it's ironic that on the PT a board full of pretenders that want to go to war with the government the same opinions are held. I say most of those on the PT are pretenders because most talk about how they would do this or that, yet most can run to the end of the stop sign without passing out.
I was never saying I supported TM or killdozer, in fact I don't support either, I just find it ironic.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:35 am to OweO
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There were kids killed in the OKC bombing right? I don't think Heemeyer went into it knowing that kids would be killed. In fact, I don't know if he intended to kill anyone.
Heemeyer didn’t kill anyone you fricking dipshit
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:36 am to OweO
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There were kids killed in the OKC bombing right? I don't think Heemeyer went into it knowing that kids would be killed. In fact, I don't know if he intended to kill anyone. He just wanted to frick things up.
I understand what you are saying and you do have a point, but I don't think you can compare the two.
Local politics has a direct impact on the people and if I recall, they were fricking with him and how he made a living..
Killdozer shot at mutiple people. He was just as much a physcopath as TM. Thats the ironic point.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:36 am to NOLALGD
I don't think this man had any intention of making it out of that bulldozer alive. I think he was trying to deter the police long enough to destroy what he wanted to destroy before taking his own life.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:36 am to stout
quote:I listened to his entire taped "manifesto" (the one he made just before loading the shell onto the bulldozer) for lack of a better term. He did say he intended to do no harm, that the livelihoods of those who screwed him were all he was after, that this was an eye for an eye.
Maybe this part was sheer luck or maybe he knew in a small town evacuations would happen quickly. Who knows? I still believe he had no intentions of killing anyone outside of maybe those who wronged him had he seen them.
Amazingly, a lot of people have never heard of this story. I think the coverage of it was brief because they didn't want to create copycats. I've mentioned this story to friends and family for years, and most of them had never heard of it. Seems kind of amazing for such a sensational story.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:38 am to baldona
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So was he pushed into not having options or not?
Yes he was. They wouldn't grant him access and landlocked him. They also wanted him to pay $80K for a connection to the city sewer.
Everyone will view it differently. My view is there was shady dealings and they forced him into shutting down out of their own self-interest.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:40 am to lsu777
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But the intent of killdozer, Andrew stack(flew plane into irs building) and OKC was the same....to declare war on the government.
Killdozer and stack are declared heros and TM is a physcopath(he was). I just think it's ironic.
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to declare war on the government.
I think Heemeyer intended to do exactly what he did. frick over the specific people who fricked him over, and more importantly Managed to do it without killing anyone.
That’s the crux.
I mean, that’s like saying “I don’t get why Michael Jordan and OJ Simpson aren’t looked at the same. Both were sports stars and in movies.”
It’s a clown take.
I don’t disagree with everything you said, but that one specific statement is just obtuse.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:40 am to RollTide1987
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don't think this man had any intention of making it out of that bulldozer alive. I think he was trying to deter the police long enough to destroy what he wanted to destroy before taking his own life.
From what I’ve seen they had to cut into it to get him out, I believe he was essentially sealed inside? I believe it was a suicide mission
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:41 am to blueboy
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Amazingly, a lot of people have never heard of this story. I think the coverage of it was brief because they didn't want to create copycats. I've mentioned this story to friends and family for years, and most of them had never heard of it. Seems kind of amazing for such a sensational story.
This happened quite literally on the same day that Ronald Reagan died.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:43 am to stout
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Yes he was. They wouldn't grant him access and landlocked him. They also wanted him to pay $80K for a connection to the city sewer.
Everyone will view it differently. My view is there was shady dealings and they forced him into shutting down out of their own self-interest.
Again, he bought the land for $42,000 and was offered $250,000 for it. He could have sold and moved his business. He was next to a concrete plant, let’s not act like location was a big deal.
I agree he likely got some bad deals. But without a deep dive into the zoning and what he bought into, that’s not an decision to make on how screwed he really was.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:44 am to lsu777
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I didn't say I supported TM killing children
Why is the line for TM drawn in this thread as "killing children." He killed more than 150 people. He wanted to blow up an occupied building. It doesn't make it "worse" from a TM perspective that there were kids in it. He didn't care who was in it; that's the point.
It's like the third or fourth time people have specifically mentioned the children. It could have had no children or all children, and it wouldn't have stopped him. He just wanted to kill people. Just seems odd.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:45 am to baldona
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He was next to a concrete plant, let’s not act like location was a big deal.
Yeah...after the concrete plant built next to him.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:45 am to stout
This needs to happen all over America.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:46 am to lsu777
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Killdozer shot at mutiple people. He was just as much a physcopath as TM. Thats the ironic point.
No, they think he was just shooting at them to deter, not to kill.
Even though he was in an impenetrable tank that could take as many shots and the cops could dish out.:
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 9:51 am
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