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re: Time lapse of Every Battle in History

Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:42 pm to
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:42 pm to
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Plus if you did an average across the centuries, China and its various dynasties are almost certainly the richest country overall in history. There were big, big reasons to invade China if you could muster the force to take them on. Why do you think they built a big fricking wall?


China and India historically have been the richest countries in the world. That richness made the West Asian frontier extremely important for European and West Asian empires, as control of those trade routes meant a massive amount of wealth. You can even characterize Islam's rise as a proto-merchant class (as Muhammad was a merchant) unifying various tribes who had been in the firing line during the many Roman-Byzantine and Sassanian wars between 200-600. The control of those trade routes is tremendously important, important enough that Ottoman control of Istanbul (which was at the crossroads of numerous trade routes, hence it's importance) was enough to drive Europeans to seek different routes by sea. Ottoman power, which was considerable, was eventually weakened enough to limit its holdings. But the reason for the wealth of West Asian empires, and why West Asian countries like Iran and Turkey are so important geopolitically has to do with their east-west orientation. If China succeeds with its new Silk Road project, I think you will find that those countries again dominate West Asian politics as they have done since Siege of Baghdad in earnest. This might be especially important if China and India again become the largest two countries in the world in terms of their economies, as they are predicted to do by 2050.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:44 pm
Posted by Loaner1231
Violet, LA
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:42 pm to
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Now we rot from the inside. An infection where no one has the stomach for the cure


Indeed. Instead we die the slow death,
Posted by kanibal
Member since Dec 2007
373 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:43 pm to
So Egypt only had 14 battles....

I appreciate the effort but I'm not buying the accuracy either.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:46 pm to
You have to think...battles in those days are Hand to hand, organized slaughters. You get the army together, do battle, then it’s over. Wars might take decades with relatively few battles. But the ones that did occur were slaughters. Plus the didn’t do large expeditionary campaigns looking for foreign monsters to slay
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
21806 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:46 pm to
We're in 3rd place but everyone chilled the frick out when we dropped that bomb for the 2nd time.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
40036 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:49 pm to
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I appreciate the effort but I'm not buying the accuracy either.



I don't either. For example, it lists that the Islamic Calpihate won 108 battles, but Khalid ibn Walid commanded his forces to 200+ victories, never losing one battle (supposedly). Tariq ibn Ziyad was similarly undefeated, though I don't remember how many battles he won.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:50 pm
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:50 pm to
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You also had many many periods of French conquest. Charles Martel, Pepin the Short, Charlemagne, the myriad Louis...

You had the 100 years war, the Napoleonic conquests, colonial wars, the world wars...

France has been around a LONG time.


The French state has been around in one form or another for nearly a millennium and a half.

Henry IV, Clovis, Godfrey of Bouillon, Baldwin II, Philippe Augustus, Charles d'Anjou, d'Iberville, de Grasse (Americans should thank him), Lafayette, Foch, and on and on and on.

I've said it on here before, and I'll say it again, but France in the 1990's and 2000's in America gets a very odd view all things considered. They got blown over in 1940 because of shitty leadership and a mis-aligned strategic position (and still lost nearly as many people as the U.S. in the entire war), but they are the most belligerent, aggressive, and arguably toughest people in world history all things considered.

It is one of the more underrated reasons why WWI turned out the way it did: a good chunk of official Europe was still terrified of a fully-mobilized and fully-armed France in the early 20th century. I mean, shite, even after WWII, they fought a savage and brutal war on a scale that we never touched in Korea or (our own) Vietnam in Algeria.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:55 pm
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39215 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:50 pm to
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battles in those days are Hand to hand, organized slaughters


Actually the battles themselves had fairly low death counts. It’s the route and chase where most died
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13280 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:10 pm to
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de Grasse (Americans should thank him),


We did. USS Comte De Grasse (DD-974) was named for him.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:26 pm to
Alexander the Great put Macedon in the top 10 until 1700 years after his death.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:28 pm to
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Actually the battles themselves had fairly low death counts. It’s the route and chase where most died


I consider that part of the larger battle.

What i’m Getting at is that large battles weren’t as frequent or drawn out, excluding sieges
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 12:01 am to
Where's the Ottomans? Russia under the Czars? Rome?
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 12:13 am to
It's the roll over they did after those 6 weeks in WWII. It went poorly, so did the initial days of WWI but WWI broke their spirit with it being fought for so long and hard on their own soil. The popular story is to think Germany is still invincible after France. But the material and manpower loss France and the BEF inflicted is really too significant to be swept under the rug. It was the first too big a bite the Reich made.

France's big sins though are the being completely subservient to Germany, the myth they successfully propagated of La Resistance while Northern Europe was the only real fighting back from the underground, and trying to go back to colonial ways after the war and then handing off their problems to USA.

They were our brothers, but at a certain point, frick em.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
23102 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:45 am to
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Yeah........ that isn’t accurate at all
Then explain why.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Member since Oct 2011
22484 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:00 am to
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1. France - 1,115 battles won


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Their current reputation is not indicative of their historical military prowess.



Cinco de Mayo ruined them...once you lose to Mexico, your reputation is shot.
Posted by Capt ST
High Plains
Member since Aug 2011
13712 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:04 am to
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Their current reputation is not indicative of their historical military prowess.


They clearly must be the reason for the saying, "winning the battle, but not the war"
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:05 am to
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Posted by madmaxvol
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Member since Oct 2011
22484 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:07 am to
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China and its various dynasties are almost certainly the richest country overall in history. There were big, big reasons to invade China if you could muster the force to take them on. Why do you think they built a big fricking wall?



To keep Mexicans out?




...and it worked.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32358 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:10 am to
The dots on the map should be color coded to the victor.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:11 am to
[quote]Both overrated.[/quote

reminds me of Stripes after they got back from czech. the cover of Stars and Stripes after interviewing Ziskey, "the Russians are pussies"
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