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re: Thoughts on the RaDonda Vaught (nurse convicted of negligent homicide) trial?

Posted on 3/30/22 at 7:58 am to
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 7:58 am to
Kool aid hair adult. All you need to know
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 7:59 am to
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Sounds fine in theory. Unrealistic in practice.
Of course. We understand that as auditors. But you make that your baseline goal, and then you sit down and map out all reasons when it isn’t feasible, and you add controls around it. One example for phone orders like I discussed earlier

. Instead, doctors pretty much in unison say “frick that. It makes my job a little more difficult”. Maybe not you, but in general. Hell yep doctors in this thread bitched saying “if this makes me have to go to written orders”

Fighting on how to properly document follow up for critical test results is even worse
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 8:10 am
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:01 am to


Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:01 am to
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Vecuronium can be immediately reversed with another medication called Sugammedex which is readily available


I saw this mentioned earlier in the thread and I was convinced it was a joke because of how similar it reads to "suck on my dicks." Huh.
Posted by T_don
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:02 am to
Versed was supposed to be given and wasn’t available so she did override pixis on chlosterphopic pt in CAT scan by typing “VER”and wrong drug at wrong place came up in the pixis that was wrongfully stocked
Pt was not on monitor when given drug
Nurse self reported after realizing
On top of being a floated nurse from another area of hospital
Vanderbilt covered up incident for months
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:07 am to
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Vanderbilt covered up incident for months
Its worse than that. Vandy admits they had a “technical error for drug distributions” but they just so happened to fix they a week or so before this incident….

Also, that means they were in the DD space and didn’t address all the other glaring issues they had in their process.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 8:07 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:09 am to
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The question is, should she go to prison for it?

I think if it's true that the victim's family didn't want her prosecuted, that prosecution is incredibly terrible.
Posted by T_don
Abbeville
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:11 am to
Family deff did not want it to come to this
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I think if it's true that the victim's family didn't want her prosecuted, that prosecution is incredibly terrible.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:16 am to
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that prosecution is incredibly terrible.
Vandy sold the nurse up River months after the incident when their process failures were being exposed

That is the reason MOST nurses are upset, not all. It isn’t “nurses want to be able to be lazy and frick up” for the actual competent nurses
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:20 am to
I am assuming the family has some level of understanding of just how much of a systemic failure this was, which is why they didn't want her prosecuted.
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:21 am to
The family also got a huge payoff and was forced to sign an NDA.

What are the chances that the terms of the NDA included that they couldn’t push for criminal charges lest they return the money?
Posted by Dragula
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Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:34 am to
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What are the chances that the terms of the NDA included that they couldn’t push for criminal charges lest they return the money?


Believe it or not families of medical malpractice typically will not seek retribution and go scorched Earth if the medical provider is genuinely apologetic and owns to to mistake. This nurse has never placed blamed and owned up to her mistake.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:57 am to
immediately reversed with another medication called Sugammedex



The more you know gif…..

How old is that med? I’ve not heard of it. Or just never had a need for it. You just bag until your hands cramp and then somebody else does. Until somebody else comes down who can tube. Usually anesthesiology. While looking at the ER doc with scorn.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 9:04 am to
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What are the chances that the terms of the NDA included that they couldn’t push for criminal charges lest they return the money?

0.000000000000000000001%

Probably lower, actually
Posted by USMCguy121
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:06 pm to
From what I read the patient was batshit crazy and this was like the 5th time that they had to do an override on a medication for them.

The family knew that the person was batshit crazy and unlikely to get better and that is why they were not interested in a lawsuit.

An " At least they aren't suffering anymore" type of death.

The whole thing screams that Vanderbilt was just trying to cover their asses And make an example out of someone To protect their image and be like "we take it very seriously in fact we will jail nurses who frick up! Please come back to our hospital!"


She lost her license and the family was not interested in pursuing the matter further. i
It should have been left where it was.

I do wish I knew more about the patient since Versed is kind of a odd choice given there are so many other sedatives available.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:19 pm to
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I do wish I knew more about the patient since Versed is kind of a odd choice given there are so many other sedatives available.



versed is basically the go to anxiolytic for in-patient purposes. it's by no means an odd choice.
Posted by LongueCarabine
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:35 pm to
1. With that smirk on her face, she looks like she doesn’t give a shite that someone died.

2. Who in the hell names their daughter RaDonda?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:38 pm to
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I don’t, at least not in the case where the woman accidentally grabbed her gun instead of the taser. To me they are similar. Or, hypothetically, what if a restaurant waiter accidentally grabbed the wrong meal and brought it to a customer? If the customer had a food allergy and died, do you throw them in jail? People make similar errors all the time. If the action is the same, do you jail them based on the outcome (death vs no harm?), or do you prosecute certain professions (nurses and cops) but not others?



These are horrible examples. If you want to use a cop and waiter in a similar situation, this would be a better example:

1.) Cop - Cop is at the practice facility in uniform for tazer training. Cop grabs his pistol, waves it around, is warned 3 times that he has his 9mm pulled and not his tazer, proceeds to shoot it at a live person.

2.) Waiter - customer asks if a dish has seafood and says I don't know but asks a coworker and coworkers says yes. Manager says yes. Waiter also asks cook, cook says yes. In the process of training someone, waiter orders same dish with seafood on it. Waiter sees seafood on top of dish, waiter continues to serve food to customer. Customer points seafood out to waiter, waiter says "that's not seafood there's no seafood in the dish".

This was not in the ER, there was 0 stress in the situation for the nurse. There was 0 reason to hurry. She was distracted by a "student". That's not an excuse.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 1:41 pm
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:46 pm to
i have not read much into this story but seen a lot of mad nurses.

Is this one of those stories where the news paints a picture to stir people up and not tell the full story?
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 6:48 pm to
As I said when this broke, nurses aren't too happy with Vanderbilt. They are having major staffing issues.

My wife and others have been contacted to take a 26 week assignment at Vanderbilt with a 36 hour work week (3 12s) for $4800/week.

$124,800 for a 6 month assignment and my wife doesn't know anyone willing to do it right now. My wife isn't taking travel assignments this year.
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